handguns in New Jersey

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{flips through statutes...}

I stand corrected, FTF sale of handguns is OK in NJ.

The buyer must have a pistol purchase permit.

The seller must complete the form and mail the various carbon copies to the agencies indicated.

My bad.
 
The national academy of engineering weighs in on "smart guns", and my reactions here:

http://geekwitha45.blogspot.com/2005_08_14_geekwitha45_archive.html#112417618374032024

I note that there is a hidden landmine in there: TWO separate standards of reliability, one for the homeowner, and one for the police.

And you're right, they're not going to take the "dumb guns" away, they're going to prevent you from getting, selling or transfering a "dumb gun".

That might be fine for you, but what about your kids, and the generations of Jerseyans that come after you?

As for ballistic fingerprinting, even the State of MD, which pioneered the whole ballistic fingerprinting scheme acknolwedges that it's a complete waste of time and money, and has requested that the project be folded up so the resources can be utilized elsewhere.
 
I dont have a problem with this. I have no intention of using mine in a crime so who cares if they have a shell copy. I believe if any of my guns were stolen and used in a crime, they would be easier to trace where they were stolen from. Sombody please tell me how this can be a problem.
It does not say that they are going to take the guns without smart tech away. It also says that the law will only go into effect 3 years after a proven technology is brought to market.
I dont think they are going to take any of the guns from NJ residents in the near or far future. There are just to many.
So we shouldn't worry about laws that infringe on our constitutional rights just a little bit, because if we aren't doing something wrong, we shouldn't care? Have you ever heard of incremental legislation? It apparently is working quite nicely in N.J. They take a drastic action that many would not agree with and break it down into increments. No one gets excited because no one step appears unreasonable. It doesn't matter how many guns are in N.J. When they come to take them, they will know where they all are thanks to the laws requiring you to stand at the foot of government and ask permission to own.
These are the laws, they aint gettin better so get used to it. I dont cry about this stuff, I learned to adapt, improvise and overcome.
You're right with that attitude. This is why N.J. has such crappy laws, because people have convinced themselves they are at the mercy of the state and powerless to change things.
 
You're right with that attitude. This is why N.J. has such crappy laws, because people have convinced themselves they are at the mercy of the state and powerless to change things.


That remark hits the nail on the head.

Sigh. And this is where I have to shake it off find some compassion.

The bottom line is that taking fingerprints and all the other nonsense has proven to be an effective hurdle to lawful gunownership in NJ. People don't like their prints taken, and this sets the bar higher than most folks are willing to go. The result is that 40 years later, gun ownership is down to 12-13%, which is way off the national average, and is (iirc) the lowest rate of gunownership in the nation.

As we all know, gunowners who actually vote like they own guns are even less than that, and the simple reality is that with numbers like that, gun voters are a trivial voting bloc in NJ, and everyone knows it.

Even if every gunowner in the state was as mortally offended as I was (and damned few of them are) they'd still be massively outnumbered by any and every other voting bloc.

They are in fact helpless, and their choices are few:


A) chafe in unending misery
B) move
C) somehow find accommodation and peace with their situation.


Most of the gunnies I knew that are still there have found some accommodation by acknowledging A) and planning to someday B). Others find their own way of going about it. Convincing oneself that it's not so bad is a coping and survival mechanism, even though it leads to perverse outcomes like the Stockholme syndrome.

Unlike a lot of states where there's at least a theoretical fighting chance of reform, NJ is too far gone, and so I have to remind myself to have some compassion for thoses guys.
 
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