my lcp is flawless also. A great gun IMO. I am satisfied with it. That being said, if the Kahr P380 is a winner I will own one, just because. It can't be any more reliable than what my lcp is right now but I have handled it and I just liked evertyhing about it. I like all the features it offers out of the box but I don't anticipate it to be any more reliable than my now 100% reliable lcp.I have 3 9mm, guess I can have a few 380's..
Handled the new Kahr .380 yesterday
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cowsurff:If something cost twice as much does it mean it is twice as good? ARE HK twice as good as a glock, darn near twice as much!! If you don't know what the features are on a kahr over the lcp, I'm not going to sit here and write um down for you. It's not a low priced gun that is for sure. It has to work great , no doubt about that, course every gun introduced has to work great whether it is a $250 gun or a $1000 gun. The shooters will determine that. I like my kahrs, they are flawless, I love my lcp,it is flawless. Now there is no doubt in my mind as soon as the P380 kahr hits the market there will be some posters who will want to be the first with a complaint or major issue, as we have seen so much on the lcp forum. We have also found out from some that some of these negative nanny's don't even own that gun they are hammering. They just want to stir. It will never sell as good as the lcp, nor IMO can kahr crank them out in numbers like the lcp can either, but if its good,IT WILL SELL. I know for sure they will sell at least ONE OF THEM.
GPS will not be offered until Jan. 09, so they tell me.!!
GPS will not be offered until Jan. 09, so they tell me.!!
I'm on the fence about this one. Street price (after the initial hype) should settle into the $450 range, I think. I think that's a fair price for something that doesn't need fluff and buff and running a locked breech should be nice to shoot. And it is usefully smaller than my PM9.
I'm a little torn, though, because I really prefer my j-frame for pocket carry. It's simply easier to get out of a pocket than a squared-off automatic. Some pockets are great for the PM9. Others, like jeans, are more difficult to get a draw or firing grip on. In those, the j-frame slides right out.
I've never been "made" with a j-frame, even in suit pants, so that begs the question... Do I "need" the P380? Not really.
It might be fun, though, and certainly should work for back pocket carry which I have never tried.
Re: double stack Kahr: I would buy a double-stack Kahr 9mm in a heartbeat. Perhaps K9 sized. I IWB my PM9 which simply disappears under any shirt. This is great in hot weather. But I'd love 1) a gun with a bigger firing grip for long range sessions; this gun must have the same trigger and controls. 2) I don't need to wear the PM9 in the winter, as I can easily conceal even my n-frame S&W's under a flannel or a sweater... So a little extra capacity and (again) a better firing grip would be nice.
In the end, I'll reserve judgement on the P380 until I see it. I bet handling the gun will impress; I always feel Kahr's have a nice high-quality feel, and I really like the triggers. Since I have had nothing but bang-on reliabilty from my 2 PM9's, I'd expect nothing less here. So maybe I'll try one.
But I've also seriously been considering a P45.
I'm a little torn, though, because I really prefer my j-frame for pocket carry. It's simply easier to get out of a pocket than a squared-off automatic. Some pockets are great for the PM9. Others, like jeans, are more difficult to get a draw or firing grip on. In those, the j-frame slides right out.
I've never been "made" with a j-frame, even in suit pants, so that begs the question... Do I "need" the P380? Not really.
It might be fun, though, and certainly should work for back pocket carry which I have never tried.
Re: double stack Kahr: I would buy a double-stack Kahr 9mm in a heartbeat. Perhaps K9 sized. I IWB my PM9 which simply disappears under any shirt. This is great in hot weather. But I'd love 1) a gun with a bigger firing grip for long range sessions; this gun must have the same trigger and controls. 2) I don't need to wear the PM9 in the winter, as I can easily conceal even my n-frame S&W's under a flannel or a sweater... So a little extra capacity and (again) a better firing grip would be nice.
In the end, I'll reserve judgement on the P380 until I see it. I bet handling the gun will impress; I always feel Kahr's have a nice high-quality feel, and I really like the triggers. Since I have had nothing but bang-on reliabilty from my 2 PM9's, I'd expect nothing less here. So maybe I'll try one.
But I've also seriously been considering a P45.
loplop. If we keep hammering Kahr about a DS 9, HUMM maybe they read our posts. I think there is a need for at leat one DS in the kahr line. their PM45 is sure a little gun to ther eis a poster on here by the sign on of Dan O, who has a PM45 and PM9 and loves um both. He pocket carrys his pm45 and has no complaints.
Ihave posted this before but if any one has a cw 9 and wants to convert it to the covert version. this fella is super, he is fast and he is a master at the covert mods.
Accurate-Iron. com. ask for Mike
tell him bernie sent ya. He does an awsome job of srtippling to and his prices are so reasonable compred to others and no 4 or 6 month wait either. I had mine back in alittle over 2 weeks.. He is also just as good with mods on glocks to. He has my G19 in there now for the full meal deal..
Ihave posted this before but if any one has a cw 9 and wants to convert it to the covert version. this fella is super, he is fast and he is a master at the covert mods.
Accurate-Iron. com. ask for Mike
tell him bernie sent ya. He does an awsome job of srtippling to and his prices are so reasonable compred to others and no 4 or 6 month wait either. I had mine back in alittle over 2 weeks.. He is also just as good with mods on glocks to. He has my G19 in there now for the full meal deal..
Jocko said: "If you don't know what the features are on a kahr over the lcp, I'm not going to sit here and write um down for you."
Is the list really that long? I guess I have to take a course on Kahr and study up. I just don't know my Kahrs like I'm supposed to. Does anybody know of a Kahr instructor I can contact. I'd love to learn more about this ground-breaking, state-of-the-art gun, but I can't find a teacher.
Is the list really that long? I guess I have to take a course on Kahr and study up. I just don't know my Kahrs like I'm supposed to. Does anybody know of a Kahr instructor I can contact. I'd love to learn more about this ground-breaking, state-of-the-art gun, but I can't find a teacher.
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I just compared the cost of 9mm ammo to .380 at Wall Mart. Yikes!
Whatever you gain in your LCP you'll give back in ammo. I'll keep my Kahr PM-9.
Whatever you gain in your LCP you'll give back in ammo. I'll keep my Kahr PM-9.
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JMOFartO:
I'm of the opinion that we have different takes on what a concealed carry firearm is worth..
We all know you can buy a KelTec P3AT, or the new Ruger for around $300.00. The new Kahr will list for $600 or so, and sell for that price, or more, until a full supply line eases demand, then will probably be discounted a little.
Then we have the overpriced Seecamp LWS380, which comes in a a whopping $795.00 retail, and that's what you pay for one, IF you are lucky enough to find one, and the seller isn't in a gouging mood.
Other than than you place an order with a dealer, or direct from the factory, put down a reasonable deposit and wait a year... Or more. In fact it seems that most Seecamp lovers wind up buying a new LWS32, which can be had for around $400.00, and if you are very lucky your individual dealer might have one on hand.. Other than that you have about a 3-4 month wait, even for the LWS32. But then you get the LWS32 and have something to cc until the LWS380 shows up roughly a year later.
Oftentimes it seems those folks who have both prefer the lesser drama of the LWS32 over the LWS380. In fact Larry Seecamp has both, and HIS daily cc choice is the LWS32. There are some very good self defense rounds available now in 32cal, whereas in times past there was basically only the fine Silvertip jhp round to chose from.
My LWS32, and that of my wife both prefer Speer Gold Dots.. (Feeds in both like "corn through a goose".) I will also say that in over 50 years of firearms ownership, 42 of those carrying concealed legally, I have never found a more simple, or effective way to cc than my LWS32 in a rear pocket (wallet) holster.
It's not a matter of whether or not the Seecamp (either model) is worth twice the cost of a KT or Ruger, or a lot more than the new Kahr 380.. It's just that when you are buying a firearm, or hammer, to use in a personal defense role I think you should buy the best firearm, or hammer you can afford.
I've owned KelTecs/NAA's/Beretta Tomcat/etc. and with the exception of the Tomcat (it was a first series, I think later versions were better) the other pistols were all good, and did the job just fine. So, a person with a limited budget would be well served with any of them. (Except imo the Beretta). But for those folks with the extra to spend on a personal self defense weapon the lure of the Seecamp pistol is pretty strong.
The Seecamp pistol is often the model used as representative of the top of the heap in quality and reliability in a mousegun.. The Seecamp has no higher capacity than the rest, is not the lightest of the bunch, and quite honestly is not to everyone's taste.. But the Seecamp IS the pick of the litter in the mousegun nitch, and I think pretty much the majority of firearm authorities agree on that.
I don't suggest everyone buy a Seecamp and all of the competition is crap. I know that to be untrue from personal experience. I DO suggest that if you have an interest in cc the BEST quality cc mousegun you should consider the Seecamp. LWS32, or LWS380. Many folks who were quite satisfied with the other brands of mouseguns find themselves EXTREMELY satisfied with a Seecamp..
Waiting a year+, and spending roughly $800.00 on a very tiny, extremely high quality mousegun when there are alternatives available for immediate delivery at 1/2 the price would be stupid.
My LWS380 is DUE in Oct...
Just personal opinion/no offense intended to those with differing opinions. In fact, I'd enjoy hearing them.
Best Wishes,
Jesse
I'm of the opinion that we have different takes on what a concealed carry firearm is worth..
We all know you can buy a KelTec P3AT, or the new Ruger for around $300.00. The new Kahr will list for $600 or so, and sell for that price, or more, until a full supply line eases demand, then will probably be discounted a little.
Then we have the overpriced Seecamp LWS380, which comes in a a whopping $795.00 retail, and that's what you pay for one, IF you are lucky enough to find one, and the seller isn't in a gouging mood.
Other than than you place an order with a dealer, or direct from the factory, put down a reasonable deposit and wait a year... Or more. In fact it seems that most Seecamp lovers wind up buying a new LWS32, which can be had for around $400.00, and if you are very lucky your individual dealer might have one on hand.. Other than that you have about a 3-4 month wait, even for the LWS32. But then you get the LWS32 and have something to cc until the LWS380 shows up roughly a year later.
Oftentimes it seems those folks who have both prefer the lesser drama of the LWS32 over the LWS380. In fact Larry Seecamp has both, and HIS daily cc choice is the LWS32. There are some very good self defense rounds available now in 32cal, whereas in times past there was basically only the fine Silvertip jhp round to chose from.
My LWS32, and that of my wife both prefer Speer Gold Dots.. (Feeds in both like "corn through a goose".) I will also say that in over 50 years of firearms ownership, 42 of those carrying concealed legally, I have never found a more simple, or effective way to cc than my LWS32 in a rear pocket (wallet) holster.
It's not a matter of whether or not the Seecamp (either model) is worth twice the cost of a KT or Ruger, or a lot more than the new Kahr 380.. It's just that when you are buying a firearm, or hammer, to use in a personal defense role I think you should buy the best firearm, or hammer you can afford.
I've owned KelTecs/NAA's/Beretta Tomcat/etc. and with the exception of the Tomcat (it was a first series, I think later versions were better) the other pistols were all good, and did the job just fine. So, a person with a limited budget would be well served with any of them. (Except imo the Beretta). But for those folks with the extra to spend on a personal self defense weapon the lure of the Seecamp pistol is pretty strong.
The Seecamp pistol is often the model used as representative of the top of the heap in quality and reliability in a mousegun.. The Seecamp has no higher capacity than the rest, is not the lightest of the bunch, and quite honestly is not to everyone's taste.. But the Seecamp IS the pick of the litter in the mousegun nitch, and I think pretty much the majority of firearm authorities agree on that.
I don't suggest everyone buy a Seecamp and all of the competition is crap. I know that to be untrue from personal experience. I DO suggest that if you have an interest in cc the BEST quality cc mousegun you should consider the Seecamp. LWS32, or LWS380. Many folks who were quite satisfied with the other brands of mouseguns find themselves EXTREMELY satisfied with a Seecamp..
Waiting a year+, and spending roughly $800.00 on a very tiny, extremely high quality mousegun when there are alternatives available for immediate delivery at 1/2 the price would be stupid.
My LWS380 is DUE in Oct...
Just personal opinion/no offense intended to those with differing opinions. In fact, I'd enjoy hearing them.
Best Wishes,
Jesse
I seriously doubt these will sell for over 500 when things settle down. PM9's are a dime a dozen for around 600. Their list is, what, 850? So 450 seems reasonable.
The more I think about it, the less I think I'll buy the P380. I mean, it will be cute and all... But I have a PM9 already, which is a better caliber, and plenty easy to conceal for me.
So... Unless I want to start reloading for 380acp... Sometimes when you reload you buy guns for ammo, not ammo for guns
The more I think about it, the less I think I'll buy the P380. I mean, it will be cute and all... But I have a PM9 already, which is a better caliber, and plenty easy to conceal for me.
So... Unless I want to start reloading for 380acp... Sometimes when you reload you buy guns for ammo, not ammo for guns
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just put 200 more flawless rounds through my pm9 , 13,400 . One of the nicest pocket rockets I have ever owned. I just sent the slide off to be melted and refinished in titanium gray hc finish. Just a fun gun to shoot for me anyhow.. Probably right about not needing the P380, as I will carry my pm9 24/7 but if I come across a P380, I will buy it.
just put 200 more flawless rounds through my pm9 , 13,400 . One of the nicest pocket rockets I have ever owned. I just sent the slide off to be melted and refinished in titanium gray hc finish. Just a fun gun to shoot for me anyhow.. Probably right about not needing the P380, as I will carry my pm9 24/7 but if I come across a P380, I will buy it.
I don't believe you will be accurate in this belief, however, even $400 would make me pause to purchase.
Given how many iffy reports of the PM9 there might be a reason they are a dime a dozen for $600.
You and Jocko have good ones but several others have not. Or at least claimed not to.
yup, nice that we can talk about a gun in a pro or con way, especially when it has not even been on the market yet. Some are totally judging it by price, some are judging it by "who's making it". No doubt in my mind there will be negative reports on it when it comes out. Will we know for sure if they are truthful reports or just some person wanting attention. Seecamps seem to sell at any price . It is to expesnive???Not to the owners of the seecamps. Lots of little pocket rockets out there to choose from now, buy what you want and don't worry about what i or others say on these forums. You always read more negatives on these forums than positives. Why that is , is just the nature of the beast. If you believe all you read then indeed you might never own any gun.
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As many others in this thread have said, I can find no compelling reason to buy the Kahr .380 when it comes out; I'm well stocked with that caliber (four of them).
I hope many of you will step forward and participate in the 'beta testing' of this pistol; if it proves to be a reliable shooter, I may pickone up in 7 or 8 years. If so, it will be the first plastic firearm I'll own.
I hope many of you will step forward and participate in the 'beta testing' of this pistol; if it proves to be a reliable shooter, I may pickone up in 7 or 8 years. If so, it will be the first plastic firearm I'll own.
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So when is the P380 supposed to go on sale?
Will this be a softer shooter than the PM9? It's not a blowback design, which should help soften recoil, but it's very lightweight.
Will this be a softer shooter than the PM9? It's not a blowback design, which should help soften recoil, but it's very lightweight.
nope
for its size and weight, probably not going to be any more pleasant to shoot than the lcp or kt 380. It is actually a wee bit smaller even. Not a target gun for sure, built for a reason and IMO definitely a 7 yard gun, but one that you should be able to pocket carry 24/7 with ease..
for its size and weight, probably not going to be any more pleasant to shoot than the lcp or kt 380. It is actually a wee bit smaller even. Not a target gun for sure, built for a reason and IMO definitely a 7 yard gun, but one that you should be able to pocket carry 24/7 with ease..
Unless someone has actually shot both pistols, they would only be guessing.
I can offer this. I have a PF9 and a P-3AT and the P-3AT feels like BB gun after shooting the PF9.
Having said that, I also have a PM9 and it has much less felt recoil than the PF9.
Since my PM9 is milder to shoot than the PF9 I might make the assumption that Kahrs generally handle recoil better than KelTecs and that maybe the P380 will feel milder to shoot than the PM9.
I'll let you know after I shoot my P380.
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I consider my PM9 very pleasant to shoot, but am looking at picking up a small pistol for my wife. I'm wondering if the .380 would be a better choice for somebody who is recoil-shy.
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kokapelli said:
Same here. Owned several including the PM9 and all have been reliable & accurate, with a fit/finish that is steps above a Keltec or Ruger. I'm looking forward to seeing Kahr finally brings their 380 to market. Won't be an early adopter, but will likely have one to replace my Keltec P32 I carry as a bug now.
As far as value, every Kahr I've owned has been worth every penny spent.
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I just checked Davidson's (Gallery of Guns) price online for the P380. It will be $535.95. Of course they don't have any yet.
My PM-9 has been great, but I don't think I'll rush for this one...yet.
My PM-9 has been great, but I don't think I'll rush for this one...yet.
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