HANDLOADING 25ACP
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Grumulkin
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Handloading 25 ACP
I suspect that if you want any 25 ACP cartridges handloaded you'll have to do it yourself. First of all, cartridges of that size are so cheap it's hardly worth the bother to handload them and secondly with such a small cartridge, precision in measuring the tiny powder charges is critical.
I suspect that if you want any 25 ACP cartridges handloaded you'll have to do it yourself. First of all, cartridges of that size are so cheap it's hardly worth the bother to handload them and secondly with such a small cartridge, precision in measuring the tiny powder charges is critical.
Kurac
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I might be better off just springing for some factory ammo. Most people that have .25 ACP pistols don't put a lot of rounds through them since there is no point, such being the case, there are not a lot of people loading for them.
Reed1911
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No Point?! I have a little Tanfoglio in .25 and love it! I use it all the time (along with a .32 Auto) to plink with while waiting on rifles or pistols to cool down. To me it's more fun than the .22 LR; but it's more expensive too.
R.W.Dale
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NO POINT????? So I guess that there is no point in loading for .45acp since 45 is almost the same price per 50 than 25acp, just cause it's smaller doesn't mean it's cheaper. Heck .380 costs twice what 9mm does for comercial loads.
jerkface11
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.25 would be fun if they made it in bigger guns. Maybe something like a marlin model 60.
armoredman
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I knew a guy on another board who loaded .25. It is not a cheap factory load. I think he used 1 gr of his fave powder, disremember which.
Get some fat rubber tipped tweezers/forceps - you might need them!
Get some fat rubber tipped tweezers/forceps - you might need them!
snuffy
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Me too
I did it at one time, loaded 25 acp that is. I still have the dies, but not the pistol. It was a little Bauer stainless, quite accurate and functional.
It's a real PITA, tweezers and the problem of getting an accurate powder throw at 1.5 grains of bullseye. I even went so far as getting a mold from lyman to make 50 grain lead bullets! Another problem is finding the brass on the ground where there's a lot of empty .22 brass! You go bugeyed looking for it. Remington sold the fmj bullets for a while, I still have some of them. And, no I won't load them for you! I was very much younger when I was fool enough to do it for myself!
:banghead:
I did it at one time, loaded 25 acp that is. I still have the dies, but not the pistol. It was a little Bauer stainless, quite accurate and functional.
It's a real PITA, tweezers and the problem of getting an accurate powder throw at 1.5 grains of bullseye. I even went so far as getting a mold from lyman to make 50 grain lead bullets! Another problem is finding the brass on the ground where there's a lot of empty .22 brass! You go bugeyed looking for it. Remington sold the fmj bullets for a while, I still have some of them. And, no I won't load them for you! I was very much younger when I was fool enough to do it for myself!
:banghead:
Clark
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CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.
I can overload 25acp with 3.2 gr Bullseye and get it to be loud, but I can't get it to kick hard.
I have two 25acp pistols and handloading for them is different:
1) Ruby, cheap POS is 80 years old and still works, firing pin hole is too big and the primer will pierce with 134% extra Bullseye. POS gun won't detonate a magnum primer
2) Colt 1908, great gun, 146% extra Bullseye is all that will fit, and no problems
I think I have another 25acp Colt that some rich old fossil sold becuase it jammed on him. A little cleaning, oil, and hot loads fixed that.
Some company made too many FMJ .251 bullets, as every now and then the are on sale $10/1000.
They cannot make them that cheap, so it must have been a major blunder.
I can overload 25acp with 3.2 gr Bullseye and get it to be loud, but I can't get it to kick hard.
I have two 25acp pistols and handloading for them is different:
1) Ruby, cheap POS is 80 years old and still works, firing pin hole is too big and the primer will pierce with 134% extra Bullseye. POS gun won't detonate a magnum primer
2) Colt 1908, great gun, 146% extra Bullseye is all that will fit, and no problems
I think I have another 25acp Colt that some rich old fossil sold becuase it jammed on him. A little cleaning, oil, and hot loads fixed that.
Some company made too many FMJ .251 bullets, as every now and then the are on sale $10/1000.
They cannot make them that cheap, so it must have been a major blunder.
The Bushmaster
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I have a .25ACP...I load Remington HPs in it and put it in the gun safe as a last chance gun. reload for it?? Are you nuts?
Yup...That's what I want to do. Load over twice the powder (3.2 grains of Bullseye) that is recomemded by the Lyman #48 (1.4 grains of Bullseye for a 50 grain bullet). I went back a few years and checked a very old (around 1982) load manual and even they recommended no more then 1.3 grains of Bullseye for a 50 grain bullet. I doubt that a lot of tiny .25 ACPs would take too kindly to a powder charge (3.2) that big...
The load data stated above are maximum loads according to Lyman #48 load manual and Metallic Cartridge Reloading manual of 1982...The 3.2 grains of Bullseye would be exceedingly dangerous. Load with caution and stand behind a tree or a wall and use a string to pull the trigger from a distance...
Merry Christmas to you and yours...
Yup...That's what I want to do. Load over twice the powder (3.2 grains of Bullseye) that is recomemded by the Lyman #48 (1.4 grains of Bullseye for a 50 grain bullet). I went back a few years and checked a very old (around 1982) load manual and even they recommended no more then 1.3 grains of Bullseye for a 50 grain bullet. I doubt that a lot of tiny .25 ACPs would take too kindly to a powder charge (3.2) that big...
The load data stated above are maximum loads according to Lyman #48 load manual and Metallic Cartridge Reloading manual of 1982...The 3.2 grains of Bullseye would be exceedingly dangerous. Load with caution and stand behind a tree or a wall and use a string to pull the trigger from a distance...
Merry Christmas to you and yours...
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R.W.Dale
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WARNING: USE OF ANY OF CLARK'S LOAD DATA IS HIGHLY FOOLISH AND CAN RESULT IN BECOMING AN EVOLUTIONARY DEAD END!
The Bushmaster
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I guess that about says it all...
(By CW McCall)
(By CW McCall)
Clark
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1) Think of it is as a clash of percieved risk vs calculated risk.
It happens all the time in engineering.
2) Or think of it as a clash between conventional wisdom and intuition.
It happens all the time in engineering.
3) Or think of it as a clash of conventional wisdom and test data.
It happens all the time in engineering.
4) Or think of it as a clash between the "Do it per proceedures" types and the "Whatever it takes to get it done" types
It happens all the time in engineering.
What does it all mean?
It happens all the time because of human nature.
It happens all the time in engineering.
2) Or think of it as a clash between conventional wisdom and intuition.
It happens all the time in engineering.
3) Or think of it as a clash of conventional wisdom and test data.
It happens all the time in engineering.
4) Or think of it as a clash between the "Do it per proceedures" types and the "Whatever it takes to get it done" types
It happens all the time in engineering.
What does it all mean?
It happens all the time because of human nature.
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The Bushmaster
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50 years of Swinging wrenches as a Marine and industrial Diesel Master Mechanic. 25 years fixing "engineers" designs.:banghead: Or 25 years stuck with "engineers designs that do not work and having to redesign them so that they do work.:banghead:
I will go with Krochus......
Who's the Moderator here????
I will go with Krochus......
Who's the Moderator here????
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R.W.Dale
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Clark said:
Clark, From what I've been able to gather you are some sort of electrical engineer. So enlighten us how does this qualify you to be an expert on internal ballistics? Short answer it does'nt, You know the fact that your father (who is a firearms degsiner) would dis own you if everybody found out that you was his son should tip you off to the fact that your load data is insane, that and the fact that youve been banned from how many forums now? 8 I believe.
But yet you fail to get it in a way I almost feel sorry for you.
PS. Do you even own a chronograph?
Mannlicher
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Who's the moderator here?
we are whining for a moderator now? come on.
we are whining for a moderator now? come on.
The Bushmaster
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Mannlicher...With so many young and new handloaders that frequent this site I fear that one of them, not having read all the posts on this and similar subjects, might figure that if he can load that high and get away with it, they can too. That, to me, is bad press for a very safe and sane hobby...It has been mentioned on this site and others that I frequent that some are afraid to reload for fear of blowing themselves or a gun up. As you well know, if you read and follow the manuals, use good common sense, practice good safety guide lines, not allow any distractions and use quality components. This is a very safe hobby and should not be corrupted by outlandishly bad information no matter what warnings are posted with the load information...
I work very hard to promote safe conduct in this and other hobbies that I participate in (Noted in my profile) none of which are stamp collecting. You just don't deliberately scare a horse just before you saddle him. Horseshoe shaped prints on your body just are not in style...
I work very hard to promote safe conduct in this and other hobbies that I participate in (Noted in my profile) none of which are stamp collecting. You just don't deliberately scare a horse just before you saddle him. Horseshoe shaped prints on your body just are not in style...
trueblue1776
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Clark said:CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.
I can overload 25acp with 3.2 gr Bullseye and get it to be loud, but I can't get it to kick hard.
I have two 25acp pistols and handloading for them is different:
1) Ruby, cheap POS is 80 years old and still works, firing pin hole is too big and the primer will pierce with 134% extra Bullseye. POS gun won't detonate a magnum primer
2) Colt 1908, great gun, 146% extra Bullseye is all that will fit, and no problems
I think I have another 25acp Colt that some rich old fossil sold becuase it jammed on him. A little cleaning, oil, and hot loads fixed that.
Some company made too many FMJ .251 bullets, as every now and then the are on sale $10/1000.
They cannot make them that cheap, so it must have been a major blunder.
I'm glad there are a few badasses around here. This is a gun forum not a knitting party.
The Bushmaster
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Hummmp...Yes you are... (noting right to Opinion)
(noting right to Opinion)
Clark
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trueblue1776 said:I'm glad there are a few badasses around here. This is a gun forum not a knitting party.
That cracked me up.
The injuries I have recieved are terrible from:
1) car wrecks
2) motor cycle wrecks
3) pole vaulting
4) mountain climbing
5) tree topping
6) roofing
7) clearing land with a machette
8) bar tending
9) mountain bikes
10) mountain climbing
11) foot ball
12) just getting knife out of a sheath
13) hitting a nail with a hammer
14) sking
15) basketball
I have never felt any pain from shooting my hot loads.
Yet 99% of the warnings I have recieved in my life have been over handloading.
This says something about percieved risk vs calculated risk and human nature.
I really wish I had some more warnings about topping trees and motorcycles.
The Bushmaster
Member
Forgot horses.....
Jbar4Ranch
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I use 1.0 grain of W231. A pound goes a loooooong ways!
R.W.Dale
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That would yeild 7000 rounds per pound of powder, That could take awhile.
Jbar4Ranch
Member
Yep, ya'd wear out yer quarter incher before the can was empty!
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