Happy to be a pack rat/hoarder

[GeoDudeFlorida]

FYI.... we are the sheep in the herd. think about how easy we are controlled and manipulated into thinking these prices are normal.

YEP.! baaaaaa baaaaa

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The most basic rule of free markets: ALL things are worth exactly what the prospective buyer is willing to pay and the prospective seller is willing to accept.

The most basic rule of centrally-managed markets: ALL things are worth what the party dictates.

Sheep live under the second system.

 

[Mosin77]

Hoarding is buying a ridiculous oversupply, just because you can. Like, 500 bricks of primers when you only load 20 rounds a year for your deer gun.

Stocking up is prudently buying what’s available when you can, because you know you’ll stand a good chance of using it eventually or as a hedge against future supply problems.

I stocked up when I could in 2017-19, but as a newly married man and then kids coming along, I didn’t exactly have a lot (read: any) discretionary income. Compared to most folks who have one gun and a box of ammo for it, even a single brick of primers is a lot, and I have several of those. Given my lack of time to shoot, I seldom get to the range more than once a month, and virtually never shoot more than a hundred rounds when I do. I doubt I’ll run out before they’re obtainable again. But it doesn’t make it any less galling when you get a new rifle that needs something you never stocked, and now can’t find it anywhere.

 

[Mark_Mark]

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The most basic rule of free markets: ALL things are worth exactly what the prospective buyer is willing to pay and the prospective seller is willing to accept.

The most basic rule of centrally-managed markets: ALL things are worth what the party dictates.

Sheep live under the second system.

I like that!

I still think we are all sheep’s controlled by the handful of masters telling us when and were to feed.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Hoarding is buying a ridiculous oversupply, just because you can. Like, 500 bricks of primers when you only load 20 rounds a year for your deer gun.

Stocking up is prudently buying what’s available when you can, because you know you’ll stand a good chance of using it eventually or as a hedge against future supply problems.

I stocked up when I could in 2017-19, but as a newly married man and then kids coming along, I didn’t exactly have a lot (read: any) discretionary income. Compared to most folks who have one gun and a box of ammo for it, even a single brick of primers is a lot, and I have several of those. Given my lack of time to shoot, I seldom get to the range more than once a month, and virtually never shoot more than a hundred rounds when I do. I doubt I’ll run out before they’re obtainable again. But it doesn’t make it any less galling when you get a new rifle that needs something you never stocked, and now can’t find it anywhere.

I hear you! at one point I was shooting 10k rounds a year. Mix of shotgun and pistol. and like you, life caught up in a good way.

So I needed to hoard components.... except shootgun shell components, was cheaper at Walmart

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I like that!

I still think we are all sheep’s controlled by the handful of masters telling us when and were to feed.

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Old Soviet joke, time: (this will make you all feel better about the price of ammo)

Yossof, a simple Russian technician, was assigned every fifth Wednesday as his grocery shopping day by the Commissariat. He appealed the decision on Tuesday and a week later was given every seventh Monday of the month, instead.

Visili goes to buy bread and the baker's shop is empty. He asks the baker, "The radio news says wheat production is at record highs but you have no bread?" The baker shrugs and replies, "Go to the distillery. There you will find record stocks of Vodka made from the record harvest of wheat." Visili, angry at the cavalier retort says, "A man cannot fill his belly on Vodka, baker!" and the baker replies, "Yes, but the party has promised there will always be enough wheat for Vodka; it is not their fault if that means there is never enough wheat for bread."

Ivan ventured out into the streets of Yenisey looking for bread and meat. At the first shop he encountered the line was so long he could not even see the street the shop was on. He stood for two hours waiting and then heard the loudspeaker, "...we have no bread or meat. The butchers shop has chicken. Now, disperse!" He runs his fastest to the butchers and stands in line two more hours before he hears the loudspeaker, "...we are out of chickens. The mongers have day-old fish. Now, disperse!" Ivan again sprints off. He gets to the dock and sees the front of the warehouse door. He is thrilled but as he stands there he sees a man with a loudspeaker approaching the door. He hisses under his breath, "This is blatant incompetence! Khrushchev would never have allowed these shortages!" From behind him he hears a low, steady voice, "Comrade. I am KGB. For what you just said under that traitor Khrushchev you would have been shot. Be more aware of your thoughts." As cold sweat poured down Ivan's face he stood still, refusing even to breath loudly... and eventually got his day-old perch. He went home and his wife asked, "How are things out there?" Ivan shook his head, "Terrible! The economy is so bad the KGB has run out of bullets!"

 

[Mark_Mark]

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Old Soviet joke, time: (this will make you all feel better about the price of ammo)

Yossof, a simple Russian technician, was assigned every-other Wednesday as his grocery shopping day by the Commissariat. He appealed the decision on Tuesday and a week later was given every third Monday of the month, instead.

Visili goes to buy bread and the baker's shop is empty. He asks the baker, "The radio news says wheat production is at record highs but you have no bread?" The baker shrugs and replies, "Go to the distillery. There you will find record stocks of Vodka made from the record harvest of wheat." Visili, angry at the cavalier retort says, "A man cannot fill his belly on Vodka, baker!" and the baker replies, "Yes, but the party has promised there will always be enough wheat for Vodka; it is not their fault if that means there is never enough wheat for bread."

Ivan ventured out into the streets of Yenisey looking for bread and meat. At the first shop he encountered the line was so long he could not even see the street the shop was on. He stood for two hours waiting and then heard the loudspeaker, "...we have no bread or meat. The butchers shop has chicken. Now, disperse!" He runs his fastest to the butchers and stands in line two more hours before he hears the loudspeaker, "...we are out of chickens. The mongers have day-old fish. Now, disperse!" Ivan again sprints off. He gets to the dock and sees the front of the warehouse door. He is thrilled but as he stands there he sees a man with a loudspeaker approaching the door. He hisses under his breath, "This is blatant incompetence! Khrushchev would never have allowed these shortages!" From behind him he hears a low, steady voice, "Comrade. I am KGB. For what you just said under that traitor Khrushchev you would have been shot. Be more aware of your thoughts." As cold sweat poured down Ivan's face he stood still, refusing even to breath loudly... and eventually got his day-old perch. He went home and his wife asked, "How are things out there?" Ivan shook his head, "Terrible! The economy is so bad the KGB has run out of bullets!"

that’s good!

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

On the subject of hoarding, is anyone seeing demand for NEW firearms dip? None of the official stat's I can find differentiate between new sales, used sales, NICs checks for returns from repair, transfers, ammo purchases, etc. Just raw numbers of checks. Maybe I'm checking the wrong NICs/FBI/DOJ stats but I am pretty sure they used to split the numbers up more.

 

[SharpDog]

I'm gonna save this link for later when I need it ...

 

[PapaG]

I was just down in the man cave for the second time since early December (heart surgery) and taking some inventories. Dang! Four Lyman 450 sizer/lubricators! Three progressive shotshjell presses. I checked components. I can shoot for a few years without having to mortgage the farm to buy components. 4500 sp, 2000 lr, 4500 shotshell, 2500 lp, 2000 sr primers. Lead, yup. powder, o.k. brass, piles, empty hulls for trap, five five gallon buckets.
Time....best part of being retired, lots.
Hoarding, no. Lucky purchases. Wish I had "hoarded" some 22s.

 

[Walkalong]

people will eventually run out of money

Yep

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I was just down in the man cave for the second time since early December (heart surgery) and taking some inventories. Dang! Four Lyman 450 sizer/lubricators! Three progressive shotshjell presses. I checked components. I can shoot for a few years without having to mortgage the farm to buy components. 4500 sp, 2000 lr, 4500 shotshell, 2500 lp, 2000 sr primers. Lead, yup. powder, o.k. brass, piles, empty hulls for trap, five five gallon buckets.
Time....best part of being retired, lots.
Hoarding, no. Lucky purchases. Wish I had "hoarded" some 22s.

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I have four pistols that only cycle with standard velocity long rifle so I am constantly hoarding standard velocity match-grade .22LR. I have enough to keep me shooting paper targets for quite some time. I also hoarded a couple of bricks of .22 Long standard velocity for my single-action revolvers. A .22 doesn't have to be fast to kill a rat or a snake.

 

[hanno]

I don't get the whole "hoarding" thing. If a person stocks up on ammo, primers, or anything else when it is readily available, why should I care? How someone else spends their money is really none of my business. Nor is their reason for doing so. So what if someone has 50,000 primers and only loads 1000 a year. The fact that someone is sitting on a "stash" of primers or ammo bought when times were good, in no way impacts anyone's ability to buy primers or ammo now.

While I understand that folks who got caught short are frustrated, I don't understand this seeming hostility towards those who did not

 

[Mark_Mark]

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I have four pistols that only cycle with standard velocity long rifle so I am constantly hoarding standard velocity match-grade .22LR. I have enough to keep me shooting paper targets for quite some time. I also hoarded a couple of bricks of .22 Long standard velocity for my single-action revolvers. A .22 doesn't have to be fast to kill a rat or a snake.

That’s a positive hoarding! you have a rat/snake problem? we have a rat problem and Seattle and your allowed to shoot them with air guns. Thinking about hoarding air gun bullets

 

[Mark_Mark]

I don't get the whole "hoarding" thing. If a person stocks up on ammo, primers, or anything else when it is readily available, why should I care? How someone else spends their money is really none of my business. Nor is their reason for doing so. So what if someone has 50,000 primers and only loads 1000 a year. The fact that someone is sitting on a "stash" of primers or ammo bought when times were good, in no way impacts anyone's ability to buy primers or ammo now.

While I understand that folks who got caught short are frustrated, I don't understand this seeming hostility towards those who did not

AGREE! I have a good stash of everything. My cousin was buying .40 ammo for $50/50, and deferring his home loan. I told him to STOP and gave him all my Russian .40... it’s good stuff! If my buddies need something, I give! can’t take it all with you

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

you have a rat/snake problem?

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Nope. I've got a Ruger Single Six and lots of .22 Long. The snakes eat the rats and if the snakes come too close to the house, I shoot the snakes. No rats. No snakes. No problem.

 

[Mark_Mark]

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Nope. I've got a Ruger Single Six and lots of .22 Long. The snakes eat the rats and if the snakes come too close to the house, I shoot the snakes. No rats. No snakes. No problem.

you should eat the snake! cycle complete!

 

[Mosin77]

I don't get the whole "hoarding" thing. If a person stocks up on ammo, primers, or anything else when it is readily available, why should I care? How someone else spends their money is really none of my business. Nor is their reason for doing so. So what if someone has 50,000 primers and only loads 1000 a year. The fact that someone is sitting on a "stash" of primers or ammo bought when times were good, in no way impacts anyone's ability to buy primers or ammo now.

While I understand that folks who got caught short are frustrated, I don't understand this seeming hostility towards those who did not

Agreed. Hoarding (actual hoarding) when times are plentiful may not be good for your wallet or prudent use of funds, but there’s really not a thing wrong with it. In times of scarcity however I do believe it’s not quite neighborly to, for example, buy up every item on the shelf when you know there will be other folks who would like some. In these shortages there’s always the supposition floating around that a few guys with plenty of time or inside connections are scooping it all up for purposes of, shall we say, unlicensed resale. Whether that’s actually true or not, who knows? But it’s easy to believe, when the private seller at the gun show is sitting on 200 bricks of .22 and asking $200 apiece for them, while you yourself haven’t seen one on a shelf in months. Nobody likes to see stuff being hawked at outrageous prices, even if it’s a pretty clear case of supply and demand. Whether it’s true or not, it “feels” like the seller is trying to take advantage of a bad situation (shortage) for their own personal gain.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Agreed. Hoarding (actual hoarding) when times are plentiful may not be good for your wallet or prudent use of funds, but there’s really not a thing wrong with it. In times of scarcity however I do believe it’s not quite neighborly to, for example, buy up every item on the shelf when you know there will be other folks who would like some. In these shortages there’s always the supposition floating around that a few guys with plenty of time or inside connections are scooping it all up for purposes of, shall we say, unlicensed resale. Whether that’s actually true or not, who knows? But it’s easy to believe, when the private seller at the gun show is sitting on 200 bricks of .22 and asking $200 apiece for them, while you yourself haven’t seen one on a shelf in months. Nobody likes to see stuff being hawked at outrageous prices, even if it’s a pretty clear case of supply and demand. Whether it’s true or not, it “feels” like the seller is trying to take advantage of a bad situation (shortage) for their own personal gain.

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If you really want to see "hoarding" and "hawking" go buy a pre-70's BMW, Triumph or Harley motorcycle and try to find OEM parts when it breaks down. You'll be lucky to escape a swap meet with your honor intact.

 

[Mark_Mark]

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If you really want to see "hoarding" and "hawking" go buy a pre-70's BMW, Triumph or Harley motorcycle and try to find OEM parts when it breaks down. You'll be lucky to escape a swap meet with your honor intact.

That good! I remember as a child, hoarder coming back from Nam would sell everything you can think of. Nam era 20round Gi mags, MRe’s, tons of barrels, Ammo galore

 

[reverseturn]

Heard on the Gun Talk podcast Tom Grissom quoting a ammo manufacturer. "We are making more than enough ammo to supply the shooting needs of the public. However we can't make ammo fast enough to supply the stockpiling demand." Sound right to me as there was an ammo surplus right before the covid, riots and election happened. Due to supply issues many have cut back on their shooting and the new gunners are not shooting much so shooting demand is probably down. Nothing stimulates demand like a perceived shortage as uncertainty and anxiety drives purchases. I know because I truly have a "lifetime supply" of 38 special brass I saved before I started reloading a year ago. Still a few days ago I almost bought 500 38 special factory second cases from Midway for no real reason except it was all they had that I would use.

Because ammo and components store well and are not super expensive I think this shortage will go on for a very long time. From a manufacturing perspective, I would be leary about adding capacity as one day the stockpiling demand will crash.

People that stockpiled ammo or components while supply was ample were both prudent and doing everyone a service as they kept the factories running.
With a depleted or dwindling stash, buying as much as one can in times of shortage is certainly understandable.
Having a "lifetime supply" and continuing to stockpile in times of shortage is (as mentioned) not exactly neighborly and helps prolong the problem.. At least thats what I told myself when I took the 38 brass out of my cart .
Buying ammo and components for calibers one doesn't own or want to own, causes me to scratch my head.

 

[magyars4]

FYI.... we are the sheep in the herd. think about how easy we are controlled and manipulated into thinking these prices are normal.

YEP.! baaaaaa baaaaa

In another year we may look back whistfully at these prices, and wish we could still get any!

 

[HowieG]

I didn't go out and try to buy up the world. What I did do was buy stock in Vista Outdoors and Ruger. So, hoard away fellas and thankyou very much.

 

[Mark_Mark]

In another year we may look back whistfully at these prices, and wish we could still get any!

nobody going to sell their soul for primers

 

[film495]

nobody going to sell their soul for primers

mmmm... maybe for SRPs

 

[jmorris]

I am a collector and recycler.