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Hardware Store Robbery
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MagnumDweeb
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Better restrained man than I, hopefully the guy gets help while he's sitting prison.
In Florida you can use lethal force in defense of others if the perp is using lethal force or reasonably believe the perp is going to kill the potential victim.
I would have drawed my snubby and put rounds in his skull till he dropped, I'm just afraid if I hesitate the guy draws on me and kills me and the victim because I waited. Even robberies go bad and people get shot, I'd just have serviced the threat and waited for the police with having handed the store worker my unloaded firearm after the threat was over. But, thankfully it wasn't me and i pray I never have to do it.
In Florida you can use lethal force in defense of others if the perp is using lethal force or reasonably believe the perp is going to kill the potential victim.
I would have drawed my snubby and put rounds in his skull till he dropped, I'm just afraid if I hesitate the guy draws on me and kills me and the victim because I waited. Even robberies go bad and people get shot, I'd just have serviced the threat and waited for the police with having handed the store worker my unloaded firearm after the threat was over. But, thankfully it wasn't me and i pray I never have to do it.
good job i'd say but.....
this is the same situation as the BK good sam thing. But the good guy in the other thread got bashed because he killed the BG. Now the guy actually drew his weapon and used it (you know the saying - don't draw unless you're willing to shoot, or close to that). And he took out the BG.
Now the same situation unraveled in this thread, but ended up with everyone OK got all the praises - which in no ndoubt in my mind - he should. But i see no difference in the good guys will and determination to do the right thing.
kudos to the OP, can't say that enough myself but just want to point out the difference of the threads' atmosphere.
this is the same situation as the BK good sam thing. But the good guy in the other thread got bashed because he killed the BG. Now the guy actually drew his weapon and used it (you know the saying - don't draw unless you're willing to shoot, or close to that). And he took out the BG.
Now the same situation unraveled in this thread, but ended up with everyone OK got all the praises - which in no ndoubt in my mind - he should. But i see no difference in the good guys will and determination to do the right thing.
kudos to the OP, can't say that enough myself but just want to point out the difference of the threads' atmosphere.
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mesinge2
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Firethorn, I started getting paranoid about the fingerprints. Worried that they wanted them to press charges on me, or something to that effect.
SpecialKalltheway
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great story, but all I can think about is the missing bullet. Did the cop in fact keep it? or did he clear the gun letting the round hit the floor and roll under something he could not reach under? or that happened and he didn't want to look like an idiot on his hands and knees trying to reach the round? or did they keep it to finger print you? or how about he kept it cause the price of ammo is up and it's hard to find, so every bullet he can pocket helps out? 
ok enough speculating. Congrats on handling yourself well in this situation.
ok enough speculating. Congrats on handling yourself well in this situation.
armedandsafe
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Many years ago, I was at a stop'n'rob when a fellow pulled a gun on the clerk. I drew and presented and yelled (something) and he turned his head to look at me. When he did that, the clerk snatched up a full coffee pot and bashed him upside the head with it. He went to jail after getting out of the hospital.
If he had turned his shoulders, yes, I would have fired at him. Clerk was not in line of MY fire.
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He went to jail after getting out of the hospital.If he had turned his shoulders, yes, I would have fired at him. Clerk was not in line of MY fire.
Pops
THis is why I love The High Road, its filled with heroic stories and action. I am glad i threw out my TV. Its a whole different world when you hear the real life stories as opposed to the heroic one-liners spoken by anti-gun actors pretending to be gun toting heroes.
Good job to both of you for your heroic deeds. I pray never to be in the situaiton either of you described. God forbid.
Stirling XD
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Did the LEO tell you he was keeping the bullet or did he just not give it back to and say nothing about it? When I read your story, the first thing that crossed my mind was that he forgot he had it. He secured the gun and the magazine and simply dropped the spare bullet in his pocket. Many of us keep a full mag plus one in the pipe. Storing that spare bullet in the mag is difficult or impossible, so he just dropped it in his pocket and forgot about it.
It's probably nothing to worry about. But given the weird legal world we live in, I can understand your concerns. Call the station and ask a few questions.
BTW, Good Job!!!
It's probably nothing to worry about. But given the weird legal world we live in, I can understand your concerns. Call the station and ask a few questions.
BTW, Good Job!!!
Zundfolge
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More than likely when the officer cleared the weapon the round from the chamber either went flying (so its probably still at the store assuming they don't sweep the floors there) or instead of laying the loose round on the counter the officer put it in his pocket and forgot about it.
Since the OP got his gun back at the end of the ordeal, I seriously doubt the local PD is going to investigate him further.
Besides, they really don't need his fingerprints, the have his name, address, DL#, CHL# in the incident report and the state likely has his fingerprints on file already since he probably had to give them to get his CHL in the first place.
alohachris
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Mesinge2, kudos! I'm curious, what was It like to hold someone at gunpoint?
Was it a long time? Did you command him to sit down with his hands on his head? Did you back up or stay close?
Was it a long time? Did you command him to sit down with his hands on his head? Did you back up or stay close?
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mesinge2
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Alohachris, to answer your first question:
"what was It like to hold someone at gunpoint?"
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It could not have been more than 5 or 6 minutes, but it felt like forever.
I told him to get on the floor and put his hands on his head. I guess I watch too much TV. However, when I said it I expected him to lay down not sit on the floor, but he did put his hands on his head. I also backed up a step or two. I figured if he made a move my bullet would close distance faster than he would.
"what was It like to hold someone at gunpoint?"
nerve racking
It could not have been more than 5 or 6 minutes, but it felt like forever.
I told him to get on the floor and put his hands on his head. I guess I watch too much TV. However, when I said it I expected him to lay down not sit on the floor, but he did put his hands on his head. I also backed up a step or two. I figured if he made a move my bullet would close distance faster than he would.
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DoubleTapDrew
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mesinge2 great job and I'm glad you kept your composure considering the circumstances and didn't have to use your weapon!
There's also the remote possibility it's just someone who doesn't know gun safety (which doesn't sound like the case here obviously) bringing something in for service. We've all seen a lot of fingers on triggers in dangerous directions in gun shops.
It's a dynamic situation. It may be legal to kill someone who is complying with you in Florida but in most states shooting someone who is laying down/dropping their gun (which apparently happened quickly in this case) or turning to run away could cost you everything you own, and your freedom. I'm not saying you shouldn't be prepared to fire but I'd also consider being prepared to hold your fire like mesinge did. If you've drawn and are on the threat you can pull the trigger before he can wheel the gun around in your direction.
There's also the remote possibility it's just someone who doesn't know gun safety (which doesn't sound like the case here obviously) bringing something in for service. We've all seen a lot of fingers on triggers in dangerous directions in gun shops.
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