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PRD1
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Ummm...
Old Fuff: Are you sure those weren't your Honus Wagner and Jim Corbett/John L. Sullivan cards?
I'm of the Beatles' fans' generation, and you're considerably senior to me...
PRD1 - mhb - Mike
Old Fuff: Are you sure those weren't your Honus Wagner and Jim Corbett/John L. Sullivan cards?
I'm of the Beatles' fans' generation, and you're considerably senior to me...
PRD1 - mhb - Mike
Kaeto
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I figured you were there to witness the words "Let there be light."Well when Moses came down from the mountain, I said, "Hey Mo..., Can I have an autographed copy of the tablet?"
Radagast
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Tom Swift, Heinlein's juveniles here.
Kaeto
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Depends on if it was Tom Swift Sr. or Tom Swift Jr.
Sheepdog1968
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I used to buy some their magazines when on vacation. The Internet age has been a big disrupt or to advertising dollars.
Sheepdog1968
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Does less magazines to read mean more time to go shoot? I'm trying hard to find any upside to this sad news.
Radagast
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Denis, I've no recall. I would read the local shooting mags from cover to cover in the library* (they only received the Aussie ones), then move to the science fiction shelves. Heinlein had more of an impact on me, his pro gun and libertarian ideals struck a chord. When he moved to pro-gun and libertine he lost me. By then I was already firmly hooked on sci-fi as a genre, individual liberty as an overriding philosophy and shooting as a lifetime hobby and skill.
I ended up lobbying at the state and federal ministerial level for gun owners and qualifying for the OZ IPSC team, so I guess RAH would be happy.
*Kids, a library was like Wikipedia, but on paper and in a big building that you had to visit. It was generally run by ladies who didn't like loud noises and did like cats, so that hasn't changed.
I ended up lobbying at the state and federal ministerial level for gun owners and qualifying for the OZ IPSC team, so I guess RAH would be happy.
*Kids, a library was like Wikipedia, but on paper and in a big building that you had to visit. It was generally run by ladies who didn't like loud noises and did like cats, so that hasn't changed.
kBob
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When I was active in the SF&F Community (hmm best explain for some folks, Science Fiction and Fantasy) I was occasionally drawn in to panels at conventions about paper magazines........we having advanced beyond clay and wax tablets and the internet only thought of in Heinlien novels.
As with the "want to be a paper back writer" crowd the youth and not so youthy gathered were always sure they could make a pile of loot producing a new better than anyone else SF&F pulp-a-zine. I generally sat in back and only giggled and during the break up after the panel discussions would comment on the number of existing such magazines and how many were more than five years old.
Generally the panel folks were producers of what were called fan-zines. These were stappled together sheets of typing paper and each contributor had to contribute a certain number of copies and pay ment was a complete copy of that -zine with your story in it. Sometimes the "publisher" (the guy with the stapler) actually had some additional copies made up and sold them at SF&F convintions......not infrequently from a table in a hallway rather than a paid for booth in the dealer's room.
Everyone who had ever stapled copied or thought they might write for one of these fan-zines seemed convinced they would be the next big name in magazines and novels and that they would soon appear on lifestyles of the rich and famous.
Finally one year I could stand it no more.
After they had been going a bit I stood up and asked, "So what sort of arrangement is best to have with a distributor?" Most of the presenters just looked toward me and blinked like deer caught in the head lights. It had never occurred to them that magazines did not magically appear at the news stand, grocery, or book store. "How do you get the funds to pay your staff and writters between the time the current issue leaves the press ( and how do you pay typesetters and printers) and funds start to come in?"
How do you make money on advertising? What is a fair price for advertising in your magazine so folks will buy the space? What is a fair commission to folks selling that ad space? How do subscriptions work? How important ARE subscriptions?
Are there any governmental requirements for folks publishing? What is reasonable pay for those submitting stories and articles? Taxes?
About this time there were many in the crowd looking on me in horror. It seems I had completely killed the F that stood for Fantasy.
Oddly when I turned to sit down I saw the publisher of one of the successful for decades SF&F zines sitting quietly in the back as well and grinning at me and wagging his finger at me.
Folks, especially folks that have never even submitted an article to a pulp-zine really have no idea what is involved.
It seems to me that Harris and others have shot themselves in the foot by flooding too many titles and one shots onto the market for advertisers or buyers to keep up with. That MORE magazines have not gone under is the wonder.
I like things like THR. I can get a feel for various posters and feel I can trust their opinions better than some ad driven magazine editor. Some of the photos are as good as anything in print ( of course some are as poor as mine).
You tube is good though I worry about the "serious" you tube poster being swayed by adds to some extent, possibly, even with the lack of ad control they seem to have. Also some folks as elsewhere on the web equate number of posts with a degree of expertness on their part. here is some weird and even poorly researched stuff out there and some of it is being quoted by others.
Speaking of Wikipedia.........
Anyhow, TS Jr. and RAH. I tried the Hardy Boys, but must have found them to late......plus I got tired real fast of bad guys to stupid to take the boy's pocket knives. Admit it some where on the order of one third of the books had an over looked pocket knife getting them out of trouble. Of course there was the time I got locked in the Leon County Sheriff's Office holding cell with a pocket knife that had been over looked....... I did read a pile of HB to my son when he was nine or ten.
-kBob
As with the "want to be a paper back writer" crowd the youth and not so youthy gathered were always sure they could make a pile of loot producing a new better than anyone else SF&F pulp-a-zine. I generally sat in back and only giggled and during the break up after the panel discussions would comment on the number of existing such magazines and how many were more than five years old.
Generally the panel folks were producers of what were called fan-zines. These were stappled together sheets of typing paper and each contributor had to contribute a certain number of copies and pay ment was a complete copy of that -zine with your story in it. Sometimes the "publisher" (the guy with the stapler) actually had some additional copies made up and sold them at SF&F convintions......not infrequently from a table in a hallway rather than a paid for booth in the dealer's room.
Everyone who had ever stapled copied or thought they might write for one of these fan-zines seemed convinced they would be the next big name in magazines and novels and that they would soon appear on lifestyles of the rich and famous.
Finally one year I could stand it no more.
After they had been going a bit I stood up and asked, "So what sort of arrangement is best to have with a distributor?" Most of the presenters just looked toward me and blinked like deer caught in the head lights. It had never occurred to them that magazines did not magically appear at the news stand, grocery, or book store. "How do you get the funds to pay your staff and writters between the time the current issue leaves the press ( and how do you pay typesetters and printers) and funds start to come in?"
How do you make money on advertising? What is a fair price for advertising in your magazine so folks will buy the space? What is a fair commission to folks selling that ad space? How do subscriptions work? How important ARE subscriptions?
Are there any governmental requirements for folks publishing? What is reasonable pay for those submitting stories and articles? Taxes?
About this time there were many in the crowd looking on me in horror. It seems I had completely killed the F that stood for Fantasy.
Oddly when I turned to sit down I saw the publisher of one of the successful for decades SF&F zines sitting quietly in the back as well and grinning at me and wagging his finger at me.
Folks, especially folks that have never even submitted an article to a pulp-zine really have no idea what is involved.
It seems to me that Harris and others have shot themselves in the foot by flooding too many titles and one shots onto the market for advertisers or buyers to keep up with. That MORE magazines have not gone under is the wonder.
I like things like THR. I can get a feel for various posters and feel I can trust their opinions better than some ad driven magazine editor. Some of the photos are as good as anything in print ( of course some are as poor as mine).
You tube is good though I worry about the "serious" you tube poster being swayed by adds to some extent, possibly, even with the lack of ad control they seem to have. Also some folks as elsewhere on the web equate number of posts with a degree of expertness on their part. here is some weird and even poorly researched stuff out there and some of it is being quoted by others.
Speaking of Wikipedia.........
Anyhow, TS Jr. and RAH. I tried the Hardy Boys, but must have found them to late......plus I got tired real fast of bad guys to stupid to take the boy's pocket knives. Admit it some where on the order of one third of the books had an over looked pocket knife getting them out of trouble. Of course there was the time I got locked in the Leon County Sheriff's Office holding cell with a pocket knife that had been over looked....... I did read a pile of HB to my son when he was nine or ten.
-kBob
PRD1
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I'm not sure...
that the Old Fuff is senior to Moses, but I seem to recall that his Social Security number is a single digit...
PRD1 - mhb - Mike
that the Old Fuff is senior to Moses, but I seem to recall that his Social Security number is a single digit...
PRD1 - mhb - Mike
KBob,
Interesting commentary.
Few people have a clue how the publishing world operates.
Rad,
I have a few Heinleins here somewhere.
Need to find 'em.
Trips to the library when I was a kid were regular occurrences, my family had no money to buy books & comics.
Later in life I started buying & have probably a thousand or so books in the basement.
Fuff,
Laughter's great.
Bourbon's better.
Denis
Interesting commentary.
Few people have a clue how the publishing world operates.
Rad,
I have a few Heinleins here somewhere.
Need to find 'em.
Trips to the library when I was a kid were regular occurrences, my family had no money to buy books & comics.
Later in life I started buying & have probably a thousand or so books in the basement.
Fuff,
Laughter's great.
Bourbon's better.
Denis
kBob
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I had an over night doctor visit and started another trip down "Glory Road"
I tend to re read one or three RAH books a year and am considering reading Star Beast to The Girl for Daddy / Daughter time. Considered introducing her to Poddy, but the ending might be upsetting to her.
I always wonder if when Grandmaw in Red Planet ejected a hard mint candy from the firing chamber of her pistol, if that meant she loaded the chamber with something less tasty when she closed it. Talking to petty tyrannts does make you want to do that.......
-kBob
I tend to re read one or three RAH books a year and am considering reading Star Beast to The Girl for Daddy / Daughter time. Considered introducing her to Poddy, but the ending might be upsetting to her.
I always wonder if when Grandmaw in Red Planet ejected a hard mint candy from the firing chamber of her pistol, if that meant she loaded the chamber with something less tasty when she closed it. Talking to petty tyrannts does make you want to do that.......
-kBob
threefeathers
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I've got to admit I'm a gun rag nut. As you get older you will spend MUCH more time in the Latrine.
Reading is good for you.
Reading is good for you.
Kaeto
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The only magazine they published that I read was Guns of the Old West.
'm sorry. Mas Ayoob and Mike Detty are close friends of mine.
Ayoob is active in several places and some lucky pub. should pick up Detty if he doesn't take this golden opportunity to do something else. His Guns Across The Border is a worthwhile exploration of the Democrat gun-walker scheme.
Oddly enough all of the FMG publications - American Handgunner, Guns, American Cop , Industry Insider have been available free, online and in virtual print magazine format PDF for several years now. It seemed like a counter productive move to some of us but the company didn't think it would impact print circulation and they seem to have been right. Circulation has actually increased.
Apparently, a lot of gun people are not electronic.
Ayoob is active in several places and some lucky pub. should pick up Detty if he doesn't take this golden opportunity to do something else. His Guns Across The Border is a worthwhile exploration of the Democrat gun-walker scheme.
Oddly enough all of the FMG publications - American Handgunner, Guns, American Cop , Industry Insider have been available free, online and in virtual print magazine format PDF for several years now. It seemed like a counter productive move to some of us but the company didn't think it would impact print circulation and they seem to have been right. Circulation has actually increased.
Apparently, a lot of gun people are not electronic.
kBob
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mec,
Is Mas still wintering in North Central Florida?
My wife had lunch with a client and her husband this week and Hubby runs a local "Self Protection School" CWL mill. When the Spousal Unit mentioned she had taken LFI 1 from the LFA many years ago, with a P7 and Ayoob's personal Python snubby, the client's husband did not know who Ayoob was. Made me wonder just how much research the client's husband had done.
Whether one agrees with Mas or not, one really needs to study his work. I though him more open to other's ideas than some other "name" folks despite what some folks say. I still have a collection of notes from that long ago class somewhere about. A number of us shared notes and made copies for one another.
-kBob
Is Mas still wintering in North Central Florida?
My wife had lunch with a client and her husband this week and Hubby runs a local "Self Protection School" CWL mill. When the Spousal Unit mentioned she had taken LFI 1 from the LFA many years ago, with a P7 and Ayoob's personal Python snubby, the client's husband did not know who Ayoob was. Made me wonder just how much research the client's husband had done.
Whether one agrees with Mas or not, one really needs to study his work. I though him more open to other's ideas than some other "name" folks despite what some folks say. I still have a collection of notes from that long ago class somewhere about. A number of us shared notes and made copies for one another.
-kBob
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I received my new copy of Guns of the Old West on Friday. Still no official word to subscribers of what is going to happen to their subscription money. I just renewed last month.
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