Hartford Advocate: "Sticking to Their Guns"

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I thought this was an interesting article that gives some insight into the requirements to purchase a firearm in the state of Connecticut.

Sticking to Their Guns

In the wake of the Cheshire triple murder, local residents go to the gun stores in droves
By Jennifer Abel
"God made men and women, and Sam Colt made them equal.”
Who said that first? Not sure, but it explains the motivation of a certain reporter who genuflects in reverence each morning when she walks into the Advocate offices and sees the blue dome of the Colt building framed in the picture window.
“That blue dome in Hartford?” Scott Hoffman said as he stood behind the counter of Hoffman’s Gun Center in Newington. “If it were anything else but guns, it would be a national monument. It started the industrial revolution … you hear them talk about Eli Whitney and the cotton gin, but not about guns.”
That’s true. Generally speaking, the only time you hear “them” say much about guns is when one’s used to commit a well-publicized crime. Then “they” talk about how peaceful life would be if only everyone would beat their guns into plowshares. But there weren’t any guns waved about during last month’s horrific home invasion in Cheshire. Turns out that a pair of criminals determined to rape and murder three people don’t need a gun to do it.
Might things have worked out differently had the family owned a gun? That question’s been picking at the back of many minds, if the increased customer traffic at Hoffman’s is any indication.
“We’ve had a lot more people coming in since then,” he said. “Can’t count how many offhand … what we noticed was a lot of people who were in the middle, not anti-gun, not pro-gun … this pushed them over the edge. When you hear of a shooting in Hartford, New Haven, Bridgeport, the average suburbanite isn’t affected by that.”
But a triple murder in a tranquil town like Cheshire is more likely to strike a suburban chord. “People are scared. You can see it in their eyes.”

Despite the extra customers, Hoffman’s store had a well-stocked look when the Advocate dropped by. Not what you’d expect the shelves to look like after a sudden surge in sales. That’s because same-day purchases are effectively illegal. Hoffman’s extra customers haven’t decreased his stock because they’re legally precluded from doing so.
“Over the years, I’ve seen people come in [the store] after being assaulted, robbed, raped … and they say, ‘I have to get a pistol permit and wait three months?’ People are amazed by how stringent the laws are in our state.”
What might be even more amazing is that these laws restrict citizens’ ability to exercise a right explicitly spelled out in the state constitution, where article one, section 15 says: “Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.”
“Right now a gun is the most effective weapon for that purpose,” Hoffman said.
The right to own weapons is spelled out more clearly in Connecticut’s constitution than the national one, which says “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
There’s been a long debate over just what the Founders meant by this: must the “people” allowed to bear arms be members of that “well-regulated militia”? Those who support additional restrictions on the right to gun ownership say yes.
The opposing view says that once America had her independence, the Founders understood the need to maintain a peacetime army but were concerned that a regular army could be used repressively. In this context, the second amendment is interpreted as “Since the government must maintain an armed militia, ordinary citizens must be allowed to have weapons, too.” Which interpretation is correct? It doesn’t matter in Connecticut, where the right to self-defense is written less ambiguously: “every citizen has the right to bear arms.”
But there is a waiting period. If you start the pistol-buying process right now you can use that pistol to defend yourself from a home invasion that takes place after Thanksgiving.

Suppose you’re destined to be attacked sooner than this? Hoffman says that legal shotgun acquisition can be accomplished more expediently, in just over two weeks. “You fill out two lengthy forms we submit to the state police. Two weeks later, you come back, they do a national background check.”
Though Hoffman would like to see this process streamlined, he has no blanket opposition to gun laws in general. “I don’t mind gun laws. I don’t want [just] anybody to be able to buy a gun.”
Here’s a rare occurrence: you don’t often hear the owner of a gun shop agree with a spokesperson for an organization with a name like “Connecticut Against Gun Violence.” But that’s what happened when the Advocate called that group and spoke with Executive Director Lisa Labella.
“In Connecticut our Constitution says you can have guns for protection. We respect that fact,” said Labella. “We want to make sure gun owners are law-abiding citizens.”
At the same time, Connecticut Against Gun Violence wouldn’t mind seeing the number of gun owners shrink. “I personally would not want a gun … I think a home alarm is more effective than a gun you may or may not have next to you.” ●
 
Overall a good article, I have to take exception to one statement, though.

“I personally would not want a gun … I think a home alarm is more effective than a gun you may or may not have next to you.” ●

Remember kids, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away...
 
I would expect you to take exception to that statement, since it's a quote from the anti-gun advocate.

for me it's not a 'since it's a quote from...' , it's because a home alarm may or may not do the job, may or may not call for help, may or may not stop the person, and because I trust myself or my wife with a shotgun more than someone else's gadget to scare people away. I always have to wonder if they have ever had someone coming into their home and know what that feels like...

ST
 
“I personally would not want a gun … I think a home alarm is more effective than a gun you may or may not have next to you.”

Lets see ,CSP Troop D 25 minute response or 1 minute to reach my Moss 500.
 
"When seconds count, the police are minutes away." That is if they don't 1) get lost, 2) stop for coffee, 3) get redirected to a traffic stop, 4) decide their shift is over, or 5) drive around the place and decide there is no crime in progress.

All the above have happened when police have been called to the scene of a home invasion or burglary in progress. Your shotgun might or might not stop a determined criminal, but it won't stop for coffee or go off shift.

Jim
 
“I don’t mind gun laws. I don’t want [just] anybody to be able to buy a gun.”
Here’s a rare occurrence: you don’t often hear the owner of a gun shop agree with a spokesperson for an organization with a name like “Connecticut Against Gun Violence.” But that’s what happened when the Advocate called that group and spoke with Executive Director Lisa Labella.
“In Connecticut our Constitution says you can have guns for protection. We respect that fact,” said Labella. “We want to make sure gun owners are law-abiding citizens.”

It never ceases to amaze me that there are still people who can't figure out that it is not possible to "make sure gun owners are law-abiding citizens."

Trying to do so just disarms the "law-abiding."
But there is a waiting period. If you start the pistol-buying process right now you can use that pistol to defend yourself from a home invasion that takes place after Thanksgiving.

It doesn't take that long in Canada
 
It doesn't take that long in Canada

The reporter is really talking about a first time non-gun type buyer. You see our Legislators decided in the mid 90's that you should need a pistol permit to buy a handgun. Prior to that it was a two week wait.

The 3 month "waiting" that that mention is really the estimated time it takes to get a "Permit to Carry pistols and revolvers" once you have that..all firearm sales are same day. If the instant check system is up and running right,that is.
 
Every single day....

Every day I read about an incident somewhere in this country where a person could have used a gun, or a person did use a gun.

I feel for those that continue along in the ignorance of thinking, "it will never happen to me." I bet that is what a few people have said that have been assaulted in some way over the years.

No offense to the people that live in these anti-gun states, but I don't care how great a place to live is, if it takes a minimum of 2 weeks to get a shotgun, and 3 months to get a handgun, that is insane.

I wonder how many more people will be harmed in some way because they were denied the ability to defend themselves. However, in the end, the people that live there are the ones that are responsible for the idiot laws on the books. I guess what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
Sadly, people live under the type of government that they tolerate. Evidently the good folks in Conn. just don't care that things there are as they are.

So sadly true. Despite what many think, we still live in Democracy and the will of the majority is still what counts and determines what our laws are.

One of the biggest problems in our society today is that the "will" of the majority is to sit on their lazy rears and let others "worry" about running the country. It just takes too much time and effort for most to stay informed and get involved. It takes a lot less effort to do nothing until after then election, the critique and condemn the leaders that, all too often, were elected by inaction instead of action.

While it would be safe to say that members here are considerably well informed and active on issues relating to hunting, self defense, and 2A issues, who here stays in touch with issues effecting our farmers, energy producers, health care, elderly, enviroment...?

I'm guilty, are you?

I believe that when enough people become concerned enough about their safety, we will start to elect officials that will reverse the current idiotic gun control regulations. Sort of like beating dependancy...maybe the country has to hit a true bottom before recovery can start.

IMHO. Your milage may vary. Do not expect change back from the 2 cents.
 
The fact that we do live in a democracy is exactly the problem. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner.

The founders of this country hated it and so do I. We've been told the Big Lie all our lives that America is all about democracy when in fact we were originally all about the constitutional representative republic with severely limited powers designed to keep democracy from happening.
 
At the same time, Connecticut Against Gun Violence wouldn’t mind seeing the number of gun owners shrink. “I personally would not want a gun … I think a home alarm is more effective than a gun you may or may not have next to you.”

I work in the home alarm business and have for years. I own and carry guns.....because I know just how wrong she is. A burglar alarm has many advantages......personal safety is not really one of them.
 
I don't understand the problem posed in the article. Was the Second Amendment supposed to protect the right of "the people" OR of "the militia"? It's not a matter of one or the other, the answer is "both". The "people" are the "militia". I can't remember where I read this but somewhere in federal law it defines all able-bodied males over 18 years of age, and all females that are members of the National Guard, as members of the militia.

Considering the changing times I would think that all able-bodied persons that are over 18 years of age are members of the militia and therefore should have the right to arm themselves.

In order to have a "well regulated" militia, or any militia for that matter, the people must be armed. Being armed automatically makes one a member of the militia. Just like one can volunteer for the regular armed forces one should be able to volunteer for the militia by simply arming themselves.
 
It's really low of me, but I chuckle when laypeople talk about the Connecticut Constitution and Connecticut Constitutional rights. Our license plate reads "The Constitution State" mainly because we've had more of them than anyone else since we were a colony; more than several South American countries... and most of them were apparently written in pencil. Somewhere between four and eight plus. The current one harks back to ye olden days of 1965.
In relevant part it states:
SEC. 15. Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.

And yet we have an AW ban. A cosmetic AW ban. It's a textbook example of people trying to regulate something they know nothing about making themselves look foolish. AR15-A2 = hard time in the pokey, XM15-E2 = sweet rock candy mountain. One of these manufacturers is located in CT, and employs CT residents, and the other... nope. Guess which one we restrict? Hint: It's the one that has slashed production and laid people off. Nice work on the state economy there.
 
What's the purpose for the two week waiting period on long guns? If I understand the process correctly the background check is done instantly at the end of the two weeks, so what is accomplished by the delay?
 
What's the purpose for the two week waiting period on long guns?

I believe the purpose is to make the purchasing of all firearms such a tedious, frustrating chore that people either say all the hell with it or move, which works for them
 
Sadly, people live under the type of government that they tolerate. Evidently the good folks in Conn. just don't care that things there are as they are.

Some of us fight it Mannlicher, believe me we do! I don't want to sound as an apologist for Connecticuts Unconstitutional policies, but we have fewer off-limits concealed carry places than Florida does.
 
You gotta love it when somebody makes a snide remark about the "good folks" in another state. :rolleyes:

Where'd this three month waiting period come from? If you have a pistol permit, you can walk out with it then and there.
 
I live in what I consider to be a "Good Area", whatever THAT means. So, I took a speed-limit legal drive from the Police Station to my home...8 minutes. Have to cross 2 sets of railroad tracks, so that could add as much as 15 minutes to the time PER CROSSING.

And yet, sometimes Mrs. Foggy still gives me a rash about why the "GI-45" is on the bedside table, and the Maverick 88 is under the bed.
 
My wife recently got her Connecticut pistol permit in about TWO WEEKS (she did the digital fingerprint thing). Now we have to go CCW shopping for her (oh boy, a shopping trip I can enjoy). :p

Seriously though, regardless of where one lives ... this is something you want to take care of BEFORE circumstances become exigent.

The awful brutality that transpired in Cheshire made quite an impression on my wife and our anti relatives in the area. In light of recent events, now I don't seem to be the truculent doomsayer (constantly braying about this 'n that about home and personal security) that I was (in their eyes) prior to Cheshire. Hell, my wife is actually listening to my admonishments for a change, and her otherwise happy-go-lucky lack of situational awareness has been transformed overnight.

Sad world we live in. Reality is a definitely a slap-in-the-face-wakeup call for everyone.

"Despite the extra customers, Hoffman’s store had a well-stocked look when the Advocate dropped by. Not what you’d expect the shelves to look like after a sudden surge in sales."

Anyhoo, with respect to Hoffman's shelves being fully stocked ... here's my $0.02 on the situation ... legalities asides ...

Most people go window shopping at Hoffman's, but head over to nearby (literally just a few miles away) Newington Gun Exchange for a better price, especially on used boomsticks. :evil::neener:
 
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