Hartford Courant on CT State Police's Dysfunctional Gun Permit Unit

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CT is generally a pretty good state (relative to its neighbors). We have more or less shall-issue CCW (for nonresidents too), few off limits places, most NFA stuff, etc. Of course, we have a silly assault weapons ban (or two) and NY/NJ/RI/MA rubs off on us from time to time.

We do have issues with our State Police, who are involved in issuing the state pistol permits (CCW's). They have a track record of making up their own rules as they go along ....

1) forbidding open carry (it is NOT illegal under CT statues)

2) forbidding carry into bars / places where alcohol is sold (ditto, not illegal)

3) in the past, issuing blanket ban on all "AK-type" rifles not covered under the first AWB.

4) taking forever to renew permits (not a problem I have experienced, though)

5) generally being a pain in the butt, with the constant threat of having your pistol permit revoked if you so much as pass gas in the wrong direction.

Interesting article in today's (other wise very anti-gun) Hartford Courant:

http://www.courant.com/news/custom/...t08,0,601732,print.story?coll=hc_tab01_layout

Grief Over Gun Permits
Delays In Renewals, Appeals Lead To Suit
By TRACY GORDON FOX

Courant Staff Writer

October 8, 2007

James Goldberg was never in trouble with the law, never even had a traffic ticket. And he had no difficulty obtaining a gun permit to carry a pistol to his job as night manager of a liquor store for protection.

So when Glastonbury police seized Goldberg's gun and revoked his permit - following his arrest on charges of breach of peace June 21 at Chili's restaurant after an employee complained about seeing the gun under his T-shirt - friends and family, even the Wethersfield police chief who signed off on the gun permit, figured it was a misunderstanding that would be quickly corrected.

The misdemeanor charge was dismissed about a month later in Superior Court in Manchester, leaving Goldberg, 29, with a clean record. But he will have to wait until May 14, 2009, for a hearing before the Board of Firearms Permit examiners, a civilian board that hears appeals on revoked or denied gun permits.

Goldberg, who has hired an attorney and plans to file a federal lawsuit over the delay, is not alone.

In fact, M. Peter Kuck, secretary of the Board of Firearms Permit Examiners, who was appointed by Gov. M. Jodi Rell for the firearms permit board, has filed his own federal lawsuit against the state police, saying that even he could not have his permit renewed in a timely manner. He cites an average delay of 17 to 20 months and sometimes up to three years that he and others have to wait for a hearing.

Kuck blames the State Police Special License and Firearms unit for mismanagement, arrogance and attempting to create its own laws on gun permits. The unit, composed of troopers, is responsible for the issuance of state pistol permits, oversight and regulation of firearm sale transactions, and issuance of licenses.

When a permit has been denied or revoked by police, a gun owner can go before the seven-member civilian board of firearms permit examiners, a kind of last resort to get a permit. About 300 cases are brought to the board each year. The case load increased dramatically after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to records.

Both Kuck and Goldberg are claiming a violation of due process rights for citizens seeking gun permits, a frustrating problem that has in some cases put careers on hold as people wait for months to get a hearing before the review board.

Even though Kuck is one of those board members responsible for the permits of others, he cannot get his own permit renewed until he goes for a hearing Nov. 13, 2008.

"It is not only him, but a lot of people, and we don't even know how many at this point," said Rachel Baird, Kuck's attorney. "It is clear that his due process rights were being violated."

"Since the complaint has been filed, additional information has come to light that will require amending the complaint and adding new defendants," Baird said.

Standing up for his civil rights has not made Kuck popular with the board. He recently learned that there has been an attempt to remove him from the board because his actions were costing the state money.

"We have tried to involve the governor's office to have him removed, but the statutes [on appointments] tie their hands," Susan Mazzoccoli, executive director of the civilian board, wrote in an e-mail to an employee of another state agency.

Abuse Of Power?

Scott Hoffman, owner of Hoffman's Gun Center in Newington, said the waiting time and hassles are a constant complaint with his customers.

"There is no due process," Hoffman said, adding that the state police firearms unit is understaffed and under-funded to do the job. "It's nuts, completely nuts."

He said he is glad that two gun owners are finally taking the state and the review board to task. "It's like fighting city hall. It's a very hard thing to do. You have to have the money and the stomach to do it."

Kuck, a member of the Ye Connecticut Gun Guild Inc., submitted his application to the Department of Public Safety to renew his permit on March 19, prior to its April 16 expiration date. But state police demanded that he submit a birth certificate or U.S. passport for the renewal, saying one of those forms of ID have been required for renewal since Sept. 11, 2001.

Kuck claims the state police firearms unit has abused its authority by punishing gun owners with long delays and implementing policies that have no basis in law. Kuck says the Department of Public Safety "caused the backlog of cases by not reviewing, processing, and preparing the appeal cases in a reasonable and timely manner for the board's review," according to the suit.

According to Goldberg, he left his job as the night manager of a liquor store on June 21, and went to the takeout section of Chili's to wait for his order. He was wearing camouflage pants and a T-shirt that covered the weapon, which showed when he went to reach for his wallet. An employee became alarmed and called police.

Officers arrived and pushed Goldberg against the wall, while customers and wait staff watched. Goldberg, the soft-spoken son of a 30-year police veteran, said he calmly told the officers he had a permit to carry. They checked it out and found that he did. But because the waitress was alarmed he was arrested for breach of peace. While Connecticut law is silent on concealment of a weapon, many police officers believe the weapon must be hidden from view because of the alarm it causes.

"I have no problems with the officers' actions with regard to the incident," Glastonbury Police Chief Thomas Sweeney said.

But Goldberg, who was working toward becoming an executive security specialist and who would carry a gun as part of the job, said, "This whole situation is making me sick to my stomach. I can't go forward in my career."

State police acknowledge the delay and say they have made some changes. They deny the firearms unit has done anything wrong.

"I will say generically we disagree with the allegations in the complaint, and we expect it will be handled by the attorney general's office," Public Safety Commissioner John A. Danaher III said. "Our people are doing their job correctly."

Lt. J. Paul Vance, a state police spokesman, said guns are not arbitrarily seized, but are taken for good reason. He said the state police must provide information to the civilian board, which hold hearings "that are like a mini trial."

"They are a volunteer board. They can only hear so many cases."

Number Of Appeals Rising

From July 1, 2005, to June 30, 2006, there were 329 appeals filed to the civilian board. Between 2006 and 2007 during the same period, there were 338 cases. This year, it is predicted there will be 398 cases, Mazzoccoli said.

Mazzoccoli attributes the delays to a number of factors, including understaffing of the state police.

"I think it's a combination of everything," she said.

The delays were substantiated in a report by state auditors, who in 2005 audited the previous two years, 2003 and 2004, and found that state police "contributed to the backlog by not reviewing and settling a majority of the cases until the month of the scheduled hearing."

Auditors recommended that the civilian review board should ensure timely hearings by increasing the frequency of hearings or the number of appeals scheduled for each meeting. The board meets about once a month, and its members are volunteers. There are about 20 to 40 cases a month on the docket, but they only hear about a dozen.

Regarding the backlog, Danaher said he has taken steps to ease the delay, but would not discuss them because of the pending legal action.

Goldberg and Kuck also have found a mutual ally in Edward Peruta, a free-lance journalist who has been helping them research the issue after they contacted him. Peruta has spent hours on the phone and digging through materials, and has offered to help finance Goldberg's lawsuit.

"I have known James Goldberg since the day he was born. Everybody's rights are being violated when the government violates his rights, and they happened to pick the wrong person," he said. "There are people who deserve to have their permit taken away. James is not one of them."

Contact Tracy Gordon Fox at [email protected].
 
Very interesting... my parents actually live in G-bury. I just applied for my non-resident permit 3 months ago. The Special Permits and Firearms unit was actually very nice and accommodating. Got the license about 3 wks after mailing it out from Michigan. Not bad at all.

Good to know that I should be on my toes when I go back to visit.
 
Wow. Everyone i know in CT got ther permits quick and easily (within a month) renewal is also as easy as walking in the door and getting your picture taken...same as a drivers license...:confused:

It sounds like it varies by location - and thats wrong!

:fire:
 
We need an open carry provision so that if you blow concealment, they can't yank your permit and charge you for being a criminal!

I will email Governer Jodi Rell again!
 
While Connecticut law is silent on concealment of a weapon, many police officers believe the weapon must be hidden from view because of the alarm it causes.

sounds like this is the problem to me....

leave the waters muddy and you'll get problems.

I'm generally very pro-LEO....but...

charges of breach of peace

abuse of power can occur.....

sounds like the 'ol "were the only ones professional enough to carry" attitude.
 
Never had a problem getting my permit, both my non-res when I lived in NJ and flipping it to a res permit when I moved back here. They did take the maximum amount of time to get it done , tho.
 
My Letter to the Courant:


Dear Courant,

First,I am pleased about the fasion in which this article was written in a non-biased form by your Newspaper.
I believe that the State Of CT Dept of Public safety is abusing it's power to no end. Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty?
Are these people at the Dept. Of Public Safety working for us the law-abiding citizens of this State? Or are they so concerned with their own power-mongering, that we are relegated to "subject" status?
My best goes out to Mr. Goldberg hoping it gets resolved soon!
 
While Connecticut law is silent on concealment of a weapon, many police officers believe the weapon must be hidden from view because of the alarm it causes.

"I have no problems with the officers' actions with regard to the incident," Glastonbury Police Chief Thomas Sweeney said.

It's a big problem when law enforcement officers enforce laws that do not exist except in their own minds. When they do that there is no rule of law. There is a rule of belief, whim, and prejudice.

That problem is compounded when their superior has "no problems with the officers' actions" in making up the law as they go along.
 
In Connecticut there is no law specifying CONCEALED carry. You are issued a "State Permit to Carry Pistols and Revolvers"

I posed three questions to the CT State Department of Public Safety asking whether carry on school grounds was allowed, whether open carried was allowed, and whether carrying in a bar was allowed. Here are their responses (edited for relevance)
http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2841431&postcount=11

Here are the applicable laws:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/pub/Chap952.htm#Sec53a-217b.htm - Carrying on school grounds
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/pub/Chap529.htm#Sec29-28.htm - Mentioned in both "School Grounds" and "open carrying" explanations.
 
As a frequent visitor to Glastonbury, I'm disheartened by the police chief's attitude, although I suppose he knows something about the arrest that I do not.

I had no problem getting my non-resident permit but it does sound like some reforms are in order. Heck, when the secretary of the Board of Firearms Permit Examiners is suing, there must be a problem!
 
So both the State Police, and the Board of examiners have wide discretion based on ZERO statutes all because "They Said So".... :barf:
 
I'm with romma....that seems pretty unreasonable to me. On the other hand, push for more clarity in our statutes could wind up screwing us since many politicians seem to be very anti.
 
On the other hand, push for more clarity in our statutes could wind up screwing us since many politicians seem to be very anti.

Excellent point Kimber... I wonder how many Ant-legislators in CT have no idea how easy it is to get a permint in CT,, Or what a permit is even!

We potentially open a can of worms with this one!
 
It's a big problem when law enforcement officers enforce laws that do not exist except in their own minds.

That problem is compounded when their superior has "no problems with the officers' actions" in making up the law as they go along.

This is somewhat scary.

I might expect this kind of attitude from Hugo Chavez's boys in blue, but certainly not in the US (or New Orleans).

Power corrupts....:(
 
I read this with some interest.
FYI the Courant has in the past (in my opinion) been very unfavorable to both gun owners and Law Enforcement.
I have never had much interaction personally with the State Police other than initial application and renewal of my CW permit (we refer to it as a "pistol Permit") but I do feel that some of the interprertation of the firearms law in the state crosses the line . I believe although well intentioned such "interpretation" is politiclly motivated and impropper.
 
The unit, composed of troopers, is responsible for the issuance of state pistol permits, oversight and regulation of firearm sale transactions, and issuance of licenses.

Well, heck. I guess I must have missed something, because I've never noticed anything about that in the Second Amendment.
 
update from several days ago



Man Sues Police After Arrest At Chili's
By TRACY GORDON FOX | Courant Staff Writer
November 30, 2007


A Glastonbury man who was arrested at Chili's restaurant and had his gun and permit seized after an employee called police is suing the three officers and the town for unlawful arrest and unreasonable search and seizure.

James Goldberg, 29, who filed a federal lawsuit at U.S. District Court in Bridgeport, claims that Glastonbury police failed to train its officers in the laws pertaining to carrying firearms. He is also claiming that they injured him during the arrest, and concocted a charge when they learned that he had a valid permit.

He was arrested on a charge of breach of peace on June 21 at Chili's after an employee complained about seeing the gun under his T-shirt, and the misdemeanor charge was dismissed about a month later at Superior Court in Manchester.




But his case raised concerns about the Board of Firearms Permit Examiners, a civilian board that hears appeals on revoked or denied gun permits. Goldberg and others say that there is a delay of 17 to 20 months to get cases heard, and Goldberg said that he has been unable to retrieve his permit and that his case is not scheduled to be heard until May 14, 2009. M. Peter Kuck, secretary of the Board of Firearms Permit Examiners, has filed his own federal lawsuit against the state police, saying that even he could not have his permit renewed in a timely manner.

In Goldberg's case, he names Glastonbury Police Sgt. Michael Furlong and Officers Kenneth Lee and Simon Barratt.

Glastonbury Police Chief Thomas Sweeney had said, "I have no problems with the officers' actions with regard to the incident." He was not available for comment Thursday.

When the officers arrived at Chili's and approached Goldberg, he raised his arms in a precautionary manner and told them that he had a valid permit for his weapon, according to the lawsuit.

"Lee and Barratt grabbed [Goldberg] by the shoulders, spun him around and slammed him up against the wall, face first, injuring him," according to the lawsuit. The complaint says the officers shouted profanities at Goldberg while frisking and handcuffing him.

According to the lawsuit, Goldberg heard one of the officers say to another, "What can we get him for?" after learning that his permit was valid and that he had not been drinking.

Goldberg, the manager of a liquor store in Glastonbury, is asking for compensatory damages for physical injury, emotional distress and harm to his reputation, damages for lost employment and career opportunities, punitive damages and attorney's fees.



http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-guns1130.artnov30,0,1332586.story
 
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