HARVEST ? No thanks I hunt, shoot, & kill.

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Sorry K3, I find your post annoying. If you did not want to offend anyone, you should not of said it. JMHO.

ArmedBear, yes I found it annoying, but more irritating Why bother to say something if you want to say I don't want to offend anyone. I figure, if it is legal and in the hunting regulations as legal, it is hunting. If someone wants to sit in a stand and shoot deer over a feeder,and it is legal, so what. The out come is the same, dead deer.

A few things here, Captain.

1)I never said I didn't want to offend anyone. I don't care if anyone is offended or not.
2) I said I didn't have anything against hunting from a box. I do it myself from time to time. If invited to South Texas to hunt from a blind, I will go. In fact, I'll be sitting in a box in Mississippi in February trying to shoot a deer on a food plot.
3) I just can't call that hunting. There is no challenge whatsoever. I prefer to glass and stalk in the canyon country of West Texas near Sheffield. I have taken many more deer that way than sitting in a box. When I spot a deer half a mile away or more and spend a lot of time and effort to get into shooting position without spooking him, then I have hunted as far as I am concerned.

If I shoot a 140 class buck from a box, I'll be a happy camper. If I have to maneuver to get a shot, I'll be a heckuva lot more proud.

Who would disagree with that?

I do like Art's analogy though.

Whether I hunt or harvest, any deer I take, I have killed.
 
ArmedBear, Oh well you see it one way, I see it another. My opinion vs. your opinion.

Get over it and move on...:banghead:

K3, maybe I misunderstood your post. My bad.
 
LOL

I just saw the original post in the same light that you do now. Odd, how people look for reasons to be annoyed.
 
K3 one day I would like to go to Texas to hunt. They deer might be small, but they sport some big racks.:)
 
ArmedBear, it does not take much to misread something. If you read it twice, you get two different means. I guess I went with my first reaction. Like I said, my bad...;)
 
K3 one day I would like to go to Texas to hunt. They deer might be small, but they sport some big racks.

Indeed. Opening day, I had a 24" wide whitetail in my scope. I couldn't get the brain - finger connection to work. I watched him walk away. Had him dead to rights from 120 yards and above him. We named him 'Bonehead' because his antlers were almost white. Spotted him last weekend on the neighboring property at just over 800 yards. Right where nobody hunts. Smartassed deer.

South Texas deer have even better racks. Most deer I've killed have been 8 point with an indide spread of between 16 and 18 inches. A couple at 20. We have some mule deer too. Last year I spotted Harold at 661 yards. On the neighboring property, of course. :banghead: Harold had a rack that was at least 30" wide. That's an awfully big muley for our area. Most 'big' ones are 22 to 24 inches.
 
I have managed to creep up on a couple of deer and kill them with a bow. But, they didn't taste any better than the ones I harvested from a stand.
 
Shooting a deer at a feeder box is killing an animal, not hunting or harvesting. Also not legal in any state I've hunted in.


What's a "feeder box". If you don't even know what an automatic feeder is, how is it you even KNOW whether it's "hunting"? It's hunting down here, trust me on this one. You're only one state away from where hunting a "feeder box" IS legal. TP&W rules are on the net for all to see. I don't care if it's illegal in 49 states, I hunt Texas. When I go to New Mexico, I spot and stalk, the only way to hunt there. I don't bring a high horse with me to climb on, though, when I'm in New Mexico, just follow the rules. I suggest you all do the same.
 
Shooting animals from a stand, over bait, feeder or food plot is not hunting. It's either shooting or "harvesting" although it probably takes a lot less work than harvesting vegetables. Either method is fine but lets not confuse it with hunting.
I choose to hunt with a stick bow but would likely "harvest" an animal for the meat with 1 of my guns if I didn't have to give up my fair chase hunt with a bow.

Also, you cannot possibly compare a cougar laying in wait over a trail with treestand hunting. The cougar didn't grow the plot or bait the animal, plus he doesn't have quite the range of a gun.
 
Really, XD 460? I guess you've never watched the National Geographic Channel. Predators throughout nature hunt over water holes and feeding areas. I guess it's only unfair when man does it. I've stayed out of this thread so far, but you may be the most arrogant poster so far. I too enjoy bowhunting. I like a good stalk as much as anybody else, but when it's legal, by God I'll give myself the advantage of hunting over food plots and corn too. You are entitled to hunt however you please, but believeing that your way is the only way is ridiculous.

The way I figure it, a cougar has just about as much range as a bow. Ever seen a big cat take off after an unsuspecting animal? They get to it in a big time hurry. A big cat like that also has abilities and physical attributes that man doesn't have. The way I see it, when God was giving out hunting attributes he gave cats and dogs claws, snakes got venom and powerful constricting abilities, and man got brains. We seem to be lacking in the other departments don't you think?

If I can give myself an advantage over the animals I hunt then I will. If I ever feel the need to thump my chest and tell the world what a great natural predator I am then I'll start leaping from trees and breaking deer's necks with my bare hands. Some people's kids, geesh!
 
XD 460, come to Delaware where most of your hunting is in small wooded areas, we don't have hundreds of thousands of open Acers to hunt. We have small puddle of woods 100 Acers to maybe 5 Acers.
Please tell all of us how would you hunt such small areas? You sure are not going to glass and stalk game, you would scare them right out of your hunting area onto someone else's area.

We all live in different areas and have to HUNT differently. I adapt my hunting to the area I go. When I went to Alaska, we hunted spot and stalk for Caribou in the Arctic circle, you just can sit and wait for them. But when confined to 5 to 100 Acers, there is not much area to do a spot and stalk. And hunting is what I do when I sit in my tree stand.
I don't know why others have to make it seem like shooting game from a stand is so bad or not call it hunting.It is hunting no matter how you slice it. No matter how you hunt, eventually you will be SHOOTING game, and that is when the hunt is over. And for the record when you shoot an animal you have KILLED it.

This is HARVERTING.....
In agriculture, harvesting is the process of gathering mature crops from the fields. Reaping is the harvesting of grain crops. The harvest marks the end of the growing season, or the growing cycle for a particular crop. Harvesting in general usage includes an immediate post-harvest handling, all of the actions taken immediately after removing the crop—cooling, sorting, cleaning, packing—up to the point of further on-farm processing, or shipping to the wholesale or consumer market.
Harvest timing is a critical decision, that balances the likely weather conditions with the degree of crop maturity. Weather conditions such as frost, and unseasonably warm or cold periods, can affect yield and quality. An earlier harvest date may avoid damaging conditions, but result in poorer yield and quality. Delaying harvest may result in a better harvest, but increases the risk of weather problems. Timing of the harvest often involves a significant degree of gambling.

On smaller farms with minimal mechanization, harvesting is the most labor-intensive activity of the growing season. On large, mechanized farms, harvesting utilizes the most expensive and sophisticated farm machinery, like the combine harvester.

Harvest commonly refers to grain and produce, but is used in reference to fish and timber. The term harvest is also used within the context of irrigation where water harvesting is referred to as the collection and run-off of rainwater for agricultural or domestic uses.

Before the 16th century Harvest was the term usually used to refer to the season Autumn. However as more people gradually moved from working the land to living in towns (especially those who could read and write, the only people whose use of language we now know), the word became to refer to the actual activity of reaping, rather than the time of year, and the terms Fall and Autumn began to replace it.
 
If I can give myself an advantage over the animals I hunt then I will. If I ever feel the need to thump my chest and tell the world what a great natural predator I am then I'll start leaping from trees and breaking deer's necks with my bare hands. Some people's kids, geesh!


Funny story:

Years ago, I shot a muley. He was hit in the vitals and down. Looked dead. I poked him with a stick and he stood up! Since I left my rifle several yards away, all I had was a knife. Well, I wrestled some, so I took him down and made it a point to keep my head on his between his antlers. I managed to sink the knife into that soft spot at the base of his neck and bleed him out. This 200something pound wounded muley was way stronger than any human I've ever wrestled. All I really did was hold on for dear life and managed to stab in the right spot. It turns out the bullet passed through cleanly. Needless to say, I don't use THAT ammo anymore. I NEVER want to do that again. By golly, I'd rather shoot them from a couple hundred yards out than jump from a tree and break their necks with my bare hands. My record is 1-0, and I'm retired from active competition. :D

I have a feeling you are taking offense to all that don't view blind hunting as hunting, and that would include me. Reread my posts and note that I have no problem with the practice and do it myself on occasion. You cannot argue that it is in any way challenging though. It seems that you are as guilty of chestthumping as anybody else when you have to stamp your feet and defend blind hunting with such fervor and vigor. XD460's view is similar to mine. It's more harvesting than hunting. Doesn't make it bad or wrong, but it is in no way challenging. If you can see and shoot, it is easy. When a 5 year old has as much of a chance as an adult, that should tell you something.


EDIT: Redhawk is correct. Sometimes the terrain does dictate the method. Sitting in a treestand is sometimes the only way. The difference I can see is that bowhunters and rifle hunters up north often scout the area looking for sign and natural crossing points and set up a stand in a good position. Then, they sit in a cold-ass tree for hours on end and wait. That's quite a bit different than ringing the dinner bell at 7 and 4 with a roof over your head.
 
K3, that is the point I am trying to convey here. We all can't hunt the same way. We have to employ different methods. I am not talking about what is harder or easier, or what is shooting or what is killing. But the term hunting is what people do when they sit in a box stand or spot and stalk, it is just different methods. But some guys somehow feel superior because they down play what other do and therefor to them it is not hunting, but shooting. We are hunters try to dictate what we consider hunting .

Now when I go to a range, I am shooting, big difference. This debate could go on and on and nobody is going to budge on there stance, but people need to understand we have to employ different methods according to the area we hunt. :banghead:
 
K3, that is the point I am trying to convey here. We all can't hunt the same way. We have to employ different methods. I am not talking about what is harder or easier, or what is shooting or what is killing. But the term hunting is what people do when they sit in a box stand or spot and stalk, it is just different methods. But some guys somehow feel superior because they down play what other do and therefor to them it is not hunting, but shooting. We are hunters try to dictate what we consider hunting .

Now when I go to a range, I am shooting, big difference. This debate could go on and on and nobody is going to budge on there stance, but people need to understand we have to employ different methods according to the area we hunt.

I don't feel superior at all. I prefer my method, and my terrain limits me to that largely, but like I said, I'll go on a hundred blind hunts if given the opportunity. Fun is fun, no matter the challenge. And, if it puts meat in the freezer, then count me in!

I would love to learn to bowhunt. First, I have to learn to operate one of those contraptions effectively. My first few practice sessions were not good.
 
On topic, I really don't have a problem with the term "harvest". Somebody already said it, but game are managed and we are harvesting the excess. They wouldn't be there at all without modern game management.

I don't bow hunt. I'm nearly blind in my right eye. I can shoot firearms left handed, but drawing a bow is just a little much to ask. LOL
 
Proper game management has done wonders for the NA whitetail population. Now, some states are extending seasons and issuing extra permits to take does to keep the population in check. I know Texas does. Drive down a Texas highway at night when the moon is right, it looks like an ant colony. Only the ants are bigger, and some have nice racks!

You'd never know that the whitetail population was in serious trouble 80 years ago.
 
I think the real problem here is that the dictionaries all the definitions came from are too old. Check out the definition from the current Merriam-Webster dictionary:

1 a: to gather in (a crop) : reap
b: to gather, catch, hunt, or kill (as salmon, oysters, or deer) for human use, sport, or population control
c: to remove or extract (as living cells, tissues, or organs) from culture or from a living or recently deceased body especially for transplanting
2 a: to accumulate a store of <has now harvested this new generation's scholarly labors — M. J. Wiener>
b: to win by achievement <the team harvested several awards>intransitive verb

It even specifically defines hunting or killing deer as harvesting.
 
As evidence that language evolves, every try to read and understand Chaucer or perhaps Beowulf? I mean, in the original "English", not what was in the English Lit book in high school.

Even Ivanhoe killed me in HS. Math I can do, even DiffEq is no sweat. Ye Olde English gives me fits though. Funny, so does the new stuff spoken by today's youth. :confused:
 
What's the difference dead is dead right?
Doesn't seem to matter how you do it, or describe the act, whether you call if harvest, shot, kill, kilt, or as a gal I know would say "you murdered". They all cook purtty much the same coming from the freezer no matter if shot after a half day's stalk in freezing weather, from a cozy heated blind or if they are laying down, standing up or eating. Dead is dead.
Now we got guys arguing if your a hunter or not. We're all hunters, some maybe skilled at this or that better is all. Makes me think of a bunch a kids saying my Dad can beat up your Dad sometimes. I will admit I get into some of it at times, but in the end it really don't matter much, dead is dead.

I guess just too much of this lately, hunter or not, this caliber or that, we loose sight of the over all picture sometimes I do believe. I am as guilty as any so maybe I otta apologize cause I sure can be right there in the thick of it, it's just been enough lately I guess.
 
Holy crap! I guess I didn't know how hard it would be to read Beowulf in the original. Makes Chaucer look like Dr. Seuss!

Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
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monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
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ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned,
geong in geardum, þone god sende
folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat
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þe hie ær drugon aldorlease
lange hwile. Him þæs liffrea,
wuldres wealdend, woroldare forgeaf;
Beowulf wæs breme (blæd wide sprang),
Scyldes eafera Scedelandum in.
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Swa sceal geong guma gode gewyrcean,
fromum feohgiftum on fæder bearme,
þæt hine on ylde eft gewunigen
wilgesiþas, þonne wig cume,
leode gelæsten; lofdædum sceal
 
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