CountGlockula
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Can't vote because...
After 6K rounds out of my Glock 35, nothing has been damaged.
After 6K rounds out of my Glock 35, nothing has been damaged.
Has a gun that you've bought new ever broke?
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CountGlockula
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I'm just telling the truth.
And here she is:
And here she is:
KINGMAX
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Never a new one
Never a new one, only used ones that haven't been shot 100 times??? - Yeah - Right
I have bought used RUGER's, SA New Bisley BlackHawk in .45 Colt, and a P90 semi-auto 45 acp. I am delighted with both of them. I did upgrade to a set of Houge Grips for the P90, made a world of difference in feel and handling.
Never a new one, only used ones that haven't been shot 100 times??? - Yeah - Right
I have bought used RUGER's, SA New Bisley BlackHawk in .45 Colt, and a P90 semi-auto 45 acp. I am delighted with both of them. I did upgrade to a set of Houge Grips for the P90, made a world of difference in feel and handling.
Around 1987 or 1988, I bought a brandnew 1911A1 of a certain US manufacturer(not Colt or Springfield).
I also bought 100 rounds of USA Winchester 230gr .45 ammo.
Immediatly after buying the pistol, I went a fired 50 shots(one box) of standard USA ball ammo. The Winchester ammo was fairly dirty, leaving quite a bit of unburned powder loose in the mechanism of the pistol.
I tried to feildstrip the 1911, and the slide could not be removed!?
I took the pistol back to the store, and it turns out the frame had peened itself over to the point the barrel lugs were trapped by the frame!
I think that manufacturer had probably installed a dead-soft frame on that particular pistol for it to peen over in 50 shots!
Although the gun shot and ran fine, probably wouldn't have lasted too long.
I've been leery of 1911 pistols made by this company ever since.
I also bought 100 rounds of USA Winchester 230gr .45 ammo.
Immediatly after buying the pistol, I went a fired 50 shots(one box) of standard USA ball ammo. The Winchester ammo was fairly dirty, leaving quite a bit of unburned powder loose in the mechanism of the pistol.
I tried to feildstrip the 1911, and the slide could not be removed!?
I took the pistol back to the store, and it turns out the frame had peened itself over to the point the barrel lugs were trapped by the frame!
I think that manufacturer had probably installed a dead-soft frame on that particular pistol for it to peen over in 50 shots!
Although the gun shot and ran fine, probably wouldn't have lasted too long.
I've been leery of 1911 pistols made by this company ever since.
JN01
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AMT Hardballer, circa 1983 or so. Bought it brand new, and fired a total of 3 rounds out of it.
Round #1: Fired Winchester Silvertip (recommended by manufacturer). Empty case was pulled about halfway out of the chamber and jammed- TIGHT. Had to get it out by securing the pistol in a vice, putting a dowel down the barrel, and driving it out with a mallet.
Round #2: Repeat of round #1. Sent pistol back to AMT. Got it back "repaired" and tested with Winchester Silvertips.
Round #3: Fired Winchester Silvertip (different lot of ammo). Repeat of rounds #1 and #2. Again removed stuck case. Got rid of gun.
POS, but it sure was pretty.
Round #1: Fired Winchester Silvertip (recommended by manufacturer). Empty case was pulled about halfway out of the chamber and jammed- TIGHT. Had to get it out by securing the pistol in a vice, putting a dowel down the barrel, and driving it out with a mallet.
Round #2: Repeat of round #1. Sent pistol back to AMT. Got it back "repaired" and tested with Winchester Silvertips.
Round #3: Fired Winchester Silvertip (different lot of ammo). Repeat of rounds #1 and #2. Again removed stuck case. Got rid of gun.
POS, but it sure was pretty.
andrewdl007
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I won a gun and when I got it home, I realized it was broken.
fastbolt
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Parts breakage?
The result of normal wear & tear?
An unexpected premature failure which may be caused by an unknowingly defective part?
Something caused, even if unintentionally, by the owner/user?
Something which came as a stock part from the manufacturer, or an aftermarket part?
You use handguns long enough you're probably going to wear something out or have something break.
Kind of like with other mechanical devices like cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, etc..
As a LE armorer for a number of different types of firearms I've seen my fair share of parts wear, breakage and damage.
Limiting the examples to just the 99 series pistol mentioned by the OP, as a S&W trained P99/SW99 LE armorer I've had to replace the occasional damaged, broken or worn part. As far as just the ejector goes, though, I've seen a few of them break over time.
One I remember involved a .40 S&W pistol in which a 9mm ejector (part of the 9mm sear housing block) had somehow been installed in the .40 S&W gun.
However it happened, it had somehow withstood many thousands of rounds, according the owner, as a loaner gun in LE he classes he taught.
Had another one break off in less than what was probably 2,000 rounds ... and another one break off after having been used in a .40 S&W SW99 which had been fired for upwards of 50,000+ rounds. That last one seemed pretty darn reasonable, to me. Well earned.
I've been told of a SW99 kept at the S&W Academy which has been used for loaner/demo use and has reportedly fired more than 75,000 rounds, without repair (or even cleaning, I was told) and without malfunction. This falls within the category of "Don't try this at home boys & girls".
Why do you think that firearms companies which maintain LE armorer training programs recommend that dedicated LE guns should be inspected periodically? Things wear out ... things break ... sometimes even a new part may break prematurely because of an unknown defect in manufacturing ... and sometimes the users contribute to the process in some manner.
:banghead:
Same reason manufacturers have warranty repair services, you know.
That's why they make spare parts, too.
Things can happen.
I liked how an instructor politely phrased things in a Glock recert class I attended ...
He said to replace recoil springs every 2,000 - 3,000 rounds ... and if we're seeing broken locking blocks, locking block pins and trigger pins then we're not replacing the recoil springs soon enough and the guns are being unnecessarily battered. We were also essentially reminded that other parts are not really 'eternally lasting', as well, such as slide stop lever springs and trigger springs. Magazine springs. Slide stop levers (springs). Followers. Magazine bodies. Trigger bars. Firing pins. Firing pin springs. Firing pin safety plungers.
You get the point ...
Machinery wears out and breaks. It may understandably last longer with proper maintenance. This may mean replacement parts peridocially.
Hey, I've known some folks who could break a ball bearing.
The result of normal wear & tear?
An unexpected premature failure which may be caused by an unknowingly defective part?
Something caused, even if unintentionally, by the owner/user?
Something which came as a stock part from the manufacturer, or an aftermarket part?
You use handguns long enough you're probably going to wear something out or have something break.
Kind of like with other mechanical devices like cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, etc..
As a LE armorer for a number of different types of firearms I've seen my fair share of parts wear, breakage and damage.
Limiting the examples to just the 99 series pistol mentioned by the OP, as a S&W trained P99/SW99 LE armorer I've had to replace the occasional damaged, broken or worn part. As far as just the ejector goes, though, I've seen a few of them break over time.
One I remember involved a .40 S&W pistol in which a 9mm ejector (part of the 9mm sear housing block) had somehow been installed in the .40 S&W gun.
However it happened, it had somehow withstood many thousands of rounds, according the owner, as a loaner gun in LE he classes he taught. Had another one break off in less than what was probably 2,000 rounds ... and another one break off after having been used in a .40 S&W SW99 which had been fired for upwards of 50,000+ rounds. That last one seemed pretty darn reasonable, to me. Well earned.
I've been told of a SW99 kept at the S&W Academy which has been used for loaner/demo use and has reportedly fired more than 75,000 rounds, without repair (or even cleaning, I was told) and without malfunction. This falls within the category of "Don't try this at home boys & girls".
Why do you think that firearms companies which maintain LE armorer training programs recommend that dedicated LE guns should be inspected periodically? Things wear out ... things break ... sometimes even a new part may break prematurely because of an unknown defect in manufacturing ... and sometimes the users contribute to the process in some manner.
:banghead:Same reason manufacturers have warranty repair services, you know.
That's why they make spare parts, too.
Things can happen.
I liked how an instructor politely phrased things in a Glock recert class I attended ...
He said to replace recoil springs every 2,000 - 3,000 rounds ... and if we're seeing broken locking blocks, locking block pins and trigger pins then we're not replacing the recoil springs soon enough and the guns are being unnecessarily battered.
We were also essentially reminded that other parts are not really 'eternally lasting', as well, such as slide stop lever springs and trigger springs. Magazine springs. Slide stop levers (springs). Followers. Magazine bodies. Trigger bars. Firing pins. Firing pin springs. Firing pin safety plungers.You get the point ...
Machinery wears out and breaks. It may understandably last longer with proper maintenance. This may mean replacement parts peridocially.
Hey, I've known some folks who could break a ball bearing.
FlyinBryan
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had a s&w 3904 that the safety fell out. didnt see where and never found it.
had an iver johnson 22 carbine that the operating rod broke on. took 6 months to get it back.
my bud had a colt match target rifle ar15 that the muzzle break shot off the end of it at the range. we found it and put it back with new roll pins.
had an iver johnson 22 carbine that the operating rod broke on. took 6 months to get it back.
my bud had a colt match target rifle ar15 that the muzzle break shot off the end of it at the range. we found it and put it back with new roll pins.
SimpleIsGood229
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I've broken firing pin-retention pins in both a 12 gauge Benelli Nova and a SIG P229R from excessive dry firing.
The lock on my Remington 700 BDL started locking itself, probably from dry firing. That just gave me the perfect excuse to take that politically correct monstrosity off my weapon.
The lock on my Remington 700 BDL started locking itself, probably from dry firing. That just gave me the perfect excuse to take that politically correct monstrosity off my weapon.
tinygnat219
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All 7 of my Taurus's have had issues at under 1000 rounds. All but 2 are gone now, and they are in the shop.
wanderinwalker
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I had a Walther that broke the recoil spring assembly after the first 300 rounds or so. Major bummer, had S&W send me 2 new ones and never broke another in a couple thousand rounds.
The range-time champ in my safe is my Glock 17. After roughly 7500-8000 rounds, one of the frame rails broke. Of course, it is an E-series pistol and this is a known issue. Glock made it right and I consider myself a dedicated Glocker, even if shooting the 17 makes me too poor to buy another! I've put about 1000 rounds through it since it was repaired, I think..
The range-time champ in my safe is my Glock 17. After roughly 7500-8000 rounds, one of the frame rails broke. Of course, it is an E-series pistol and this is a known issue. Glock made it right and I consider myself a dedicated Glocker, even if shooting the 17 makes me too poor to buy another!
I've put about 1000 rounds through it since it was repaired, I think.. loop
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Three that I bought new failed on me.
One was a Kimber, but it didn't actually fail and had many thousands of rounds through it when the slide stop wore out. Stopped by the local smith, who kind of knows me, and he gave me a new slide stop for free. It didn't actually disable the gun anyway - just wouldn't lock the slide back on an empty mag.
Another was a Ruger Mini-14 that also had thousands of rounds through it. That was discouraging because the bolt literally blew up and Ruger refused to honor the warranty. They wouldn't even look at it.
Third one was a Kel-Tec. Failed to extract on the first round. There was a hairline crack on the extractor. KT sent me a new extractor, spring, etc., within four days of calling. It has been flawless since.
Oh yeah, one more. A black powder 1860 Army Colt. The hand spring broke. I made a new one out of a bicycle coaster brake spring and it never failed again.
That's it for guns I bought new. Guns I bought used or were given to me is another story...
The only breakage I've ever had I considered major was the Mini-14. We were very lucky neither one of us caught a fragment of that bolt. It could have been very serious.
One was a Kimber, but it didn't actually fail and had many thousands of rounds through it when the slide stop wore out. Stopped by the local smith, who kind of knows me, and he gave me a new slide stop for free. It didn't actually disable the gun anyway - just wouldn't lock the slide back on an empty mag.
Another was a Ruger Mini-14 that also had thousands of rounds through it. That was discouraging because the bolt literally blew up and Ruger refused to honor the warranty. They wouldn't even look at it.
Third one was a Kel-Tec. Failed to extract on the first round. There was a hairline crack on the extractor. KT sent me a new extractor, spring, etc., within four days of calling. It has been flawless since.
Oh yeah, one more. A black powder 1860 Army Colt. The hand spring broke. I made a new one out of a bicycle coaster brake spring and it never failed again.
That's it for guns I bought new. Guns I bought used or were given to me is another story...
The only breakage I've ever had I considered major was the Mini-14. We were very lucky neither one of us caught a fragment of that bolt. It could have been very serious.
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Both my autos have ran fine. SIG 226 no problems, Kimber needed some factory tlc but they had nothing to do with function, rear sight wiggles, grip bushing stripped, etc. S&W 686-6 no problems, not even on the lock.
Now my 50th anniversary Blackhawk has locked up twice in as many days on snap caps, no live rounds fired. So the Ruger is my first.
RFB
Now my 50th anniversary Blackhawk has locked up twice in as many days on snap caps, no live rounds fired. So the Ruger is my first.
RFB
I dont know if "broke" is the correct description.
I always wanted a Kimber and found a TLE 2 in my local gunstore. I bought 7 different brands of ammo with bot JHP & FMJ, all 230gr. Took it to the range with my pistol shooting stand and could never get it to hit less than 10 inches high at 25 yards, no matter what I shot in it. I sent it back to Kimber twice to have the sights replaced and they were never able to get it closer than 4" high. It was sold off to help pay for my first Wilson Combat CQB, that in over 5000 rounds I have had zero breakages or malfunctions with.
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I always wanted a Kimber and found a TLE 2 in my local gunstore. I bought 7 different brands of ammo with bot JHP & FMJ, all 230gr. Took it to the range with my pistol shooting stand and could never get it to hit less than 10 inches high at 25 yards, no matter what I shot in it. I sent it back to Kimber twice to have the sights replaced and they were never able to get it closer than 4" high. It was sold off to help pay for my first Wilson Combat CQB, that in over 5000 rounds I have had zero breakages or malfunctions with.
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MadMercS55
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Springfield Mil-Spec Broke the ejector off under 200rnds through it.
Springfield XD45 not broken, but won't feed reliably with any type of ammo.
Kimber Custom II- Busted extractor after around 500rnds or so.
Kimber Custom II (2nd gun) Busted slide stop after about 300rnds or so.
Taurus .357 Revolver (don't recall model) Cylinder fell out after 25rnds. Trigger also locked up around this point as well.
S&W Sigma in .357sig. Frame cracked after a 250rnd range session.
Springfield XD45 not broken, but won't feed reliably with any type of ammo.
Kimber Custom II- Busted extractor after around 500rnds or so.
Kimber Custom II (2nd gun) Busted slide stop after about 300rnds or so.
Taurus .357 Revolver (don't recall model) Cylinder fell out after 25rnds. Trigger also locked up around this point as well.
S&W Sigma in .357sig. Frame cracked after a 250rnd range session.
schadenfreude
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1000 or so rounds out of my Springfield loaded 1911 and it got a loose plunger tube. The glock, Beretta vertec, and HK USP never had a problem with a lot of rounds pounded through.
MCgunner
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I didn't mention my Hardballer. It had an ill fitted extractor when I got it, but I bought it used and the extractor was blued, so I think the previous owner broke the extractor and just put a 1911 extractor in it without properly fitting it. I had a smith fit the extractor and buff it up a bit. It didn't feed much, but ball, but ran good until it got stolen and I used the insurance money to buy a Ruger P90 and never looked back. Boy, that P90 is a gem!!!!!
Wetawd
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Funny to see this thread cause it just happend last night, the spring in my 24/7 exploded all over the room cause cap on the end holding it in place just snapped.
The moore you shoot, the more you are likely to have a disabled firearm due to broke parks. Also, the more you shoot, the more you are likely to buy more fireams, thus the cycle continues.
I seem to have 2-3 firearms in the shop per year for one thing or the other.
I bought a used S&W Mod 19-3 several years ago. The timing was just perfect. After I shot a few boxes of shell through it, the timing was no longer so perfect. Three trips to S&W, and the timing is again perfect.
I bought my second P7M8 about a year ago. I noticed that the slide started sticking after about 100 rounds. I cleaned the gas cylinder well, and repeated with another 100 only to have the same problem. It is in the shop now. I assume the gas cylinder is dented.
I bought an AR-24, which I really enjoy shooting, and dry fired it compulsively until I broke the trigger rebound spring. I just got it back from its second trip to Armalite. The first trip resulted in a poor spring fit. I also broke two trigger rebound springs on a Ruger Security Six. As you might can tell, I do enjoy dry-firing.
You see, it doesn't stop. If you keep shooting and buying, you will keep them in the shop. I believe it was Jeff Cooper who said that if you find a gun you like, buy three - one to shoot, one to have at the gunsmith, and one for a spare.
By the way, the AR-24 will go back into the shop in a week. When Armalite shipped it back to my dealer, they did not wrap the magazine. During shipment, it beat up against the pistol and left dings all along the slide. This one will be on Armalite.
I seem to have 2-3 firearms in the shop per year for one thing or the other.
I bought a used S&W Mod 19-3 several years ago. The timing was just perfect. After I shot a few boxes of shell through it, the timing was no longer so perfect. Three trips to S&W, and the timing is again perfect.
I bought my second P7M8 about a year ago. I noticed that the slide started sticking after about 100 rounds. I cleaned the gas cylinder well, and repeated with another 100 only to have the same problem. It is in the shop now. I assume the gas cylinder is dented.
I bought an AR-24, which I really enjoy shooting, and dry fired it compulsively until I broke the trigger rebound spring. I just got it back from its second trip to Armalite. The first trip resulted in a poor spring fit. I also broke two trigger rebound springs on a Ruger Security Six. As you might can tell, I do enjoy dry-firing.
You see, it doesn't stop. If you keep shooting and buying, you will keep them in the shop. I believe it was Jeff Cooper who said that if you find a gun you like, buy three - one to shoot, one to have at the gunsmith, and one for a spare.
By the way, the AR-24 will go back into the shop in a week. When Armalite shipped it back to my dealer, they did not wrap the magazine. During shipment, it beat up against the pistol and left dings all along the slide. This one will be on Armalite.
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Chuck Dye
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At 20,000+ rounds, the Ruger MkII broke the firing pin and extractor within a few hundred rounds of each other. In both cases a call to Ruger put replacement parts in the mail. I was not permitted to pay even postage.
Northslope Nimrod
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Walther P22
Fun, fun gun. The hammer spring broke on a very cold day (about 5 degrees) (not sure if that mattered). S&W fixed it for free and it was back to me ASAP. (about 3,000 rounds before breakage)
Loved the gun, but I sold it to get something that would last. I actually miss shooting it.
Fun, fun gun. The hammer spring broke on a very cold day (about 5 degrees) (not sure if that mattered). S&W fixed it for free and it was back to me ASAP. (about 3,000 rounds before breakage)
Loved the gun, but I sold it to get something that would last. I actually miss shooting it.
Flyfishtom
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A Taurus 727 revolver never got through the first box of ammunition. I had to send it back to Taurus and after eight weeks I went to the dealer and demanded either my money back or a different gun. I got a different gun and will never buy another Taurus.
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