Has anyone ever used H110 in 9mm?

[chullachat]

I have looking in loading DATA but i didn't found it. If anyone ever used Hodgon H 110 in 9MM.and .45ACP please answer. banghead:

 

[hso]

Since they don't show a loading for either caliber and they say that H 110 is for "44 Magnum, 454 Casull, 475 Linebaugh and the 460 and 500 S&W magnums" I can't see any reason to try to load using it. Magnum powder in a non-magnum probably isn't a very safe idea.

 

[918v]

Actually it is perfectly safe. "Magnum" has nothing to do with it. H110 is a poor choice for either application, though.

 

[RidgwayCO]

According to QuickLOAD, using a 124gr FMJ bullet loaded to a COL of 1.165", you'd be able to get 10.2gr of H110 in that small 9mm Luger case, allowing for 5% powder compression. Velocity is computed at less than 900 fps out of a 4.49" barrel, for a massive 220 ft-lbs of energy (roughly the same as a hot .380 Auto). Only about 40% of the powder is projected to be burned before the bullet exits the barrel. And honestly, with a maximum chamber pressure of less than 15,000 psi, I doubt H110 will even burn as pathetically as QuickLOAD computes. IMHO you'd be looking at lodging a bullet in the barrel.

In other words, I recommend you DON'T do it. There are some great powders for the 9mm Luger (Power Pistol, 3N37, etc.), but H110 is NOT one of them...

 

[italy176]

Chullachat - I actually wondered the same thing. I was looking for the slowest powder possible to get better carbine performance out of my 9mm. Like you I did a lot of research and didn't find anything.

I did find some load data for AA#9 (a slow "magnum" powder that is a tad faster than H110). You can model load data using a program like QuickLoad - it'll cost you $150 (have'nt done it yet...). If you want the 9mm AA#9 data let me know.

When using AA#9 I feel pretty safe because the published load data uses a compressed charge therefore, charge verification is easy!

 

[918v]

I think PowerPistol would be the best powder for carbine applications.

 

[rcmodel]

If H110/W296 were suitable for use in the 9mm, you could find published load data for it.
But you can't.

rc

 

[zxcvbob]

Chullachat - I actually wondered the same thing. I was looking for the slowest powder possible to get better carbine performance out of my 9mm. Like you I did a lot of research and didn't find anything.

That would be AA#7 or Power Pistol. HS-6 also should be a pretty good choice. But the main thing in my opinion, is to use cast bullets instead of jacketed to reduce bore friction. J-bullets generally start losing velocity after about 9 or 10 inches of barrel in 9mm. Lead bullets will still be accelerating.

 

[ranger335v]

"I have looking in loading DATA but i didn't found it. "

There is a reason for that.


"..anyone ever used Hodgon H 110 in 9MM.and .45ACP..."

Probably.

 

[Walkalong]

And discovered it was a bad choice, especially in .45. Squib city in .45 I bet.

 

[redneck2]

As noted by others...use a suitable powder. H-110 is WAY too slow. It will most likely border on dangerous as you'll get a very unstable burn.

Personally, I'd see if Universal Clays is recommened.

 

[rodregier]

I found that even with the faster powders, there was a significant velocity improvement in carbine-length barrels compared to pistol-length barrels in 9mmx19.

Having said that, Power Pistol or HS-6 would be examples of good choices to help maximize 9mmx19 in a longer barrel.

 

[Walkalong]

HS-6 & AA #5 do very well in carbine length barrels. I have long ago run out of Power Pistol, but I suspect 918v is correct that it would be a very good powder for velocity in carbine length barrels.

 

[ljnowell]

I have loaded both plated and jacketed in a 9mm carbine with Power Pistol. It was a good powder for the application without doubt.

 

[MachIVshooter]

I think PowerPistol would be the best powder for carbine applications

Or medium small magnum/shotgun powders, like Blue Dot. I had goo dluck with Blue Dot from a Beretta Cx4 Storm.

As has been covered, H110 is way to slow for a small cartridge like the 9mm.

 

[italy176]

I have to agree with MachIVshooter. Blue Dot has really solid performance out of a carbine and a pistol barrels. I'm able to get hot carbine loads and NATO type pistol loads.
At this point I can’t say AA#9 is that great - I'm getting too much of an inconsistent burn (magnum primers anyone?).

I wonder what the intent of the OP(er) is?

 

[Steve C]

The 9mm has too small of a case to work with powders like AA9, 2400 and H110/296.

AA7 is the canister grade powder that was used by the Israelis in their 9mm SMG loads. Blue Dot has similar burn rate to AA7 and these two are the slowest powders you generally find 9mm data for.

 

[Bush Pilot]

"I have looking in loading DATA but i didn't found it. "

There is a reason for that.


"..anyone ever used Hodgon H 110 in 9MM.and .45ACP..."

Probably.

Where's Clark when you need him?

 

[ljnowell]

Where's Clark when you need him?

Either A) blowing something up, or B) making a burn chart by felt recoil.

 

[Clark]

1970 "Speer 8" page 354 there are 9mm H110 data.
10.9 gr H110, 9mm, 125 gr Soft point 1140 fps.

When I look at the work I did when I started handloading ~10 years ago and tried to work up to brass failure with every 9mm bullet and every pistol powder, I see on some old spread sheet

CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

9mm 1.169" 124 gr max book 10.9 gr H110
Max to fit 13.8 gr H110, max tested 13.2 H110

9mm 1.169" 147 gr H110
Max to fit 13.8, max tested 11

Those H110 loads are very wimpy recoil compared to what is possible with Power Pistol. Someone afraid of pressure might be interested as H110 might get the most velocity at some tiny pressure that is inside the comfort zone of some crazy perceived risk.

 

[500grains]

I think there are three questions that need to be addressed:

1. Is the load lawsuit proof?
Answer: Who cares! I am not an ammo maker.

2. Is the load safe against flames on internet forums?
Answer: Not relevant unless the forum requires that all posted experimental loads be lawsuit proof.

3. Is the load physically safe to shoot in the qun in question (i.e., brass will not fail, gun will not fail)?
Answer: Ask Clark. He will tell you where the cutoff is and you can shoot loads that take your pistol to its full capability rather than sticking with lawsuit-proof loads.

I would bet that this fellow did not consult Clark in advance:

 

[Clark]

500G,
I feel more comfortable when you are giving me grief.

Here is a pic of you pursuing safety.

 

[snuffy]

Clark, is that apcray running down his right pant leg!? Now that right there is funny, I don't care who you are!

 

[Clark]

Plenty of room in the pants, after paying for that shot.

 

[500grains]

Do my legs look sexy in that pic?