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Has anyone seen the new rifle from Vulcan?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Ascot500, Mar 15, 2006.

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  1. Ascot500

    Ascot500 Member

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    Check out the Vulcan arms web site.
    They have their own version of the Armalite 180

    Looks good and reasonably priced.
     
  2. Correia

    Correia Moderator Emeritus

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    Vulcan=Hesse=Crap

    Hesse is one of the worst firearms manufacturers there has ever been, and I wouldn't trust them to build a super soaker correctly.
     
  3. atblis

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    Calling their stuff crap is being too nice

    Definitely some of the sketchiest crap I've ever seen.
     
  4. birddog

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    Darn. I thought you meant the planet Vulcan and was somewhat intruiged.
     
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    I wouldn't shoot it on a bet.
     
  6. AJ Dual

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    I'm not quite as down on Hesse/Vulcan stuff as some others.

    I wouldn't turn one of their products down if it was free. But that's about it.
     
  7. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    I suspect they'd have a hard time making a decent cap gun for Roy Rogers wannabee's.
     
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    Vulcan Arms aside, (any company with the claim "Best-built fireams in the world" seems a little shady) What about the AR-180 as a rifle, I know Armalite has an updated version for around $1000. How do these compare to AR-15s? I know its an older design, but I have heard people claim that they are worth their weight in gold.
     
  9. Bartholomew Roberts

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    It is rarely a good sign when you have to change the name of your company (Vulcan) to escape all the bad publicity associated with the previous company (Hesse).
     
  10. atblis

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    If you want a gas piston AR

    you might want to check out a Daewoo. DR200s can be had for about $600.
     
  11. Henry Bowman

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    Like the one that claims "Perfection"? :neener:
     
  12. ABTOMAT

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    Weren't some Hesse FAL receivers known for self destructing?

    I've never messed with an AR-18 but I do have a whole bunch of articles from the '60s talking about them. Designed by non-Stoner folks at Armalite to be a weapon suited for inexpensive mass production in other countries. The guts supposedly are designed to digest dirt and eject it. I guess they were trying to get into the AK's market share back then but it didn't work.
     
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    AR-180s and related rifles (G36, for example) are supposed to be Just Dandy.

    But don't buy Vulcan.
     
  14. Number 6

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    There are a lot of people buying Vulcan AR lower receivers over at calguns.net. They feel safe buying the lowers since the lower in the AR system does not do much. As long as it is in spec the lower should work. There are varying degrees of happiness with these receivers however, and more than a few people that have receivers that are out of spec. Very few of them have ever considered buying a complete firearm from Vulcan. One of the sad things about Vulcan is that they have a tremendously diverse product line that would be great if they only produced a quality product. What other company produces clones of an AR, AK, MAC-10, Galil, MP5, AR-180, and a .50 rifle? In addition to producing FAL and AR-10 receivers. If only these products were well made it would be a great company, but alas they are usually just malformed paperweights.
     
  15. Ascot500

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    Can anyone supply any factual information to go along with all the conjecture?

    I don't own a Vulcan or Hesse, and have no connection to either, but I guess being an engineer - I take the Jack Webb approach.
     
  16. atblis

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    It is true. Quite true.

    Their polymer uppered AR was pathetic. It broke at the rear pin (multiple different ones).

    If it says Hesse or Vulcan on it, run away, don't shoot it, don't let friends or loved ones shoot it, don't stand near someone shooting it, etc.

    By all accounts the AR180 is supposed to be a very decent weapon.
     
  17. Ascot500

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    OK, so you used one of their lowers to build a rifle and it broke.

    Did you get a refund?
    Does your dealer still stock them?
    What did you wind up using instead?
    I am out in the boonies, so I don't get a lot of first hand reports about off brands at the local shop.
     
  18. walking arsenal

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    I just finished building an AR-15 on a Vulcan receiver.

    Everything went prett smoothly, i had to dremel the rear take down pin hole just slightly.

    Either the lower or the upper is a tiny bit out of spec. Not sure which.

    I'm guessing it might be a combo of both since it's a no name upper left over from the shop.
     
  19. Correia

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    Ascott, not conjecture.

    For you background, I am a dealer. www.fbmginc.com We specialize in evil black rifles, and sell more AR and AK type rifles than anything else. So we've seen pretty much every kind of black rifle.

    I won't touch Hesse with a ten foot pole. I don't want them in my store, because from what I've seen I've got about a 50% chance that it is going to come back with a very unhappy customer. The other half probably hasn't shot theirs enough yet.

    If something can be out of spec, it will be. If a hole can be drilled wrong, it will be. Misshapen paperweights.

    I'm sure there are some good Hesses out there, I just haven't seen one in person.
     
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    I have two hesse built rifles. One is an ar with about 6000 round trouble free.
    The other an ak with about 2k on it.
    both have been trouble free.
    I did have a DPMS lower crack on the third shot from new. They took care of it of course.
     
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    I don't own, or plan to own a Hesse/Vulcan. Don't have any personal stake in this whatosever, but I will say that I know of 5 rifles made by them that I have first hand experience with. I shoot with a group of guys, and 3 of them have Hesse guns. None of them have had any problems whatsoever. The only one that was any sort of problem was an AR build that was short stroking, but it turned out to be a diassembly/reassembly problem of the user, not Hesse's fault.

    I'm sure they've earned their bad reputation, but it's also obvious to me that they have made some good guns too. Probably like Century.....good and bad. I wouldn't roll the dice, but let's not listen to the experts that say they're all dangerous/broke/out of spec. That's clearly not the case.
     
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    Hesse = Vulcan = DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY!

    There are other vendors that do not seem to have change their names, have poor customer service, and lack the arrogance of Hesse!
     
  23. Ascot500

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    Presently there is one other manufacturer of an AR-180 and their uses a proprietary scope adaptor - not a universal Weaver mount.

    Just an observation.
     
  24. silicon wolverine

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    Guess what? I have a vulcan and im perefectly happy with it. I baought a vulcan M-11-9 pistol (mac clone) at a gunshow for 200$. All it needed was tuning up a few rough edges. doesnt jam, no FTFs or FTEs. and while yes it IS a phone booth gun, you get alot of range cred when you rip out a 32 round mag as fast as you cna pull the trigger.

    SW
     
  25. Dave Markowitz

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    I had a Saiga that Hesse converted into an AK-103 lookalike. After about 180 rounds, the FCG parts they installed started to peen and the gun wouldn't function (hammer wouldn't fall). The FCG parts they used were too soft.

    I replaced the FCG with a Tapco G2 set and the gun has digested at least 500 rounds without a bobble.

    I wouldn't buy anything that says Hesse or Vulcan on the side ever again.
     
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