Has Chuck Taylor been there done that?

[atek3]

Please don't flame me.

I'm only passing along what I heard.

Several people I was talking to this weekend were pooh poohing chuck taylor saying that "He never served in vietnam, never was a ranger" and all that kinda stuff. Any truth to those allegations? Any substantiation on either side?

thanks,
atek3

 

[Pilgrim]

Are they willing to say that to his face?

Pilgrim

 

[Zip06]

Do a search on a couple of gun boards. People have opinions about him but no one argues that he hasn't been around the block a couple of times.

 

[atek3]

One did, said Chuck Taylor threatened to kick his bum. Same dude told Gabe Suarez he is a cheat and a fraud, Gabe offered to take it outside.

atek3

 

[ElToro]

Chuck Taylor.. didnt he just ressign as presidente of liberia ? or is he the guy on the basketball shoes

i dont think G&A, Handguns would have run his articles all these years if he wasnt legit.. same with Ayoob & Leroy Thompson et. al.

 

[jercamp45]

He has been through more than all of us!!

SOF magazine would not have hired him, nor would have Col. Cooper!
He is not a flashy, 'high speed, low drag' kinda guy...firmly into the basics which invariably lead to the advanced!!
People forget the basic's and go for high volume, flash, bang and sizzle!
Naw, he is 'for real'.
Met him Alooooong time ago(doubt he remembers me, but I got to play with my first MAC-10 with Sionics Suppressor) at the OLD SOF building in 1978 and he was at Gunsite when I was there the first time, but not the second!!!
Jercamp45

 

[El Tejon]

atek, how would these people know? Just GSCs?

 

[Gabe Suarez]

Gents,

I personally know Chuck, and although I don't teach with him any longer, and even have some disagreement in terms of techniques and methodology, I can say that he is everything he says he is. If I were going to a gunfight today and had a list of guys to take with me, CT would be on the top of the list.

As far as the #@*^s (rhymes with sissies) on the internet who make statements annonymously from a distance, I second the motion to do a face-to-face. me thinks they'd be much more polite in such a situation.

 

[Norm357]

Gabe, silly question but you name is familer. Are you an auther?


Norm

 

[Gabe Suarez]

Yep. I do a little teaching as well.

 

[El Tejon]

 

[atek3]

is right

 

[Norm357]

What? Was it something I said?


Norm

 

[Norm357]

DUH!!! Never mind I just did a google.:banghead:


Norm

 

[Soap]

Gabe,

El Tejon let me borrow you book series. They are phenominal for starting shooters into more advanced techniques as well as reminding us all of the basics. Thanks for writing them.

 

[Gabe Suarez]

Thanks Daniel.

 

[telomerase]

>I personally know Chuck, and although I don't teach with him any longer, and even have some disagreement in terms of techniques and methodology, I can say that he is everything he says he is.

I'm not surprised to hear that. I've never really doubted that Taylor, Cooper, etc. had lots of combat experience... which in my view doesn't excuse them from learning high school physics. People who mix up momentum, power, and energy are not helping the novice to understand firearms. (On the other hand, I'm sure my knowledge of high school physics doesn't make up for my lack of shooting training, in their view.... or mine).

 

[Sven]

atek3: you and I were at the same course - did you not believe the things Chuck told us, or what?

 

[atek3]

I believed it all, pretty much. Am I gullible, maybe. I don't know, thats why I wanted to get outside confirmation.

atek3

 

[C. H. Luke]

"Several people I was talking to this weekend were pooh poohing......."

I know Chuck well. Your acquaintances are Ignorant........

Chuck is from a long-line Military family and did two tours in 'Nam
{That means Combat tours} as a Special Forces Officer and was awarded the Bronze Star. He still carries a bullet in his chest and in case you didn't notice shoots with one hand and writes with the other. There's a reason for this! He's had standing contracts with more than a few of the 3 letter Govt.
Agency's for over 20 years and was in Afghanistan last year teaching his long-range {900+ meters} rifle techniques to some US Forces.
Chuck has done an enormous amount to further the development of handgun, rifle techniques {and all small arms} as true Martial Arts and deserves the utmost respect of the well-informed in our Shooting Community.

 

[atek3]

Thanks for that post, it really bothers me though that another gun instructor would single chuck out and claim that "he's never been to vietnam at all"

atek3

 

[Sven]

atek3: I guess it comes down to, "what are your friend's qualifications and sources".

 

[Sean Smith]

Anybody who gets even microscopic exposure on the internet (let alone magazine articles, etc.) is eventually going to get bashed by random mutant a-holes. Heck, it happened to me a couple of times, and I've just got a for-fun and fairly un-controversial web site I slapped together when I was in Macedonia.

 

[C. H. Luke]

"...it really bothers me though that another gun instructor would..."

Atek,

Being a "Gun Instructor" does not immediately award one credibility.

Those kind of comments are usually fuelled by Ego &/or resentment in my experience. Chuck's Military Service is easily authenticated as a friend and long-time Shooter/Instructor who also knows and runs Chuck's courses here locally has reminded me.

What counts is Reputation & wide-based long experience.

 

[BerettaNut92]

I was at the same class with Atek3 and in defense of the instructor, this is what I remember:

1. Gun instructor was saying that some other instructor (not Chuck Taylor) was never former LAPD like some background had indicated.
2. Another student said that Chuck Taylor had never BTDT, but it didn't seem like gun instructor knew much about Chuck Taylor and I don't remember him dissing him.

So don't all jump on the other instructor so fast, just because he was listening to another guy spew trash about Chuck Taylor, doesn't mean he was dissing him. But I could have misheard/misunderstood or just plain wasn't listening, or maybe because I have hard wax I missed something.

OK I'm going back to playing with guns now.