Navy Shipboard Vietnam cancers linked to water

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I know this is not gun related but given the number of Vets we have hanging around here I felt it was important enough to pass along. Please excuse...

Navy Shipboard Vietnam cancers linked to water
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WED 22 MAR 2006, Page 003
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By: Simon Kearney

SAILORS who served on naval ships during the Vietnam War have been told their ships' drinking water, which was contaminated with Agent Orange, could be causing their cancers.
The Department of Veterans Affairs is investigating a link between the number of cancers among sailors and the desalinated water on board some ships, which contained dioxins from the deadly defoliant.

The alarm relates to ships that took on water in Vung Tau harbor in Vietnam between 1965 and 1972, specifically HMAS Sydney, which made 23 trips to Vietnam during the war, and her escort ships
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Between 1980 and 1994 as many as 170 navy personnel died from cancers potentially related to the water on the ships, according to the Mortality of Vietnam Veterans cohort study.

An updated mortality study on Vietnam veterans is due to be released later this year.
The problem was identified nearly three years ago when the National Research Center for Toxicology found that desalinated drinking water taken from the estuary was contaminated with Agent Orange, which was sprayed widely across the country during the war.

``We are investigating what the issues associated with water and water taken from Vietnamese waters are, and the RMA (Repatriation Medical Authority) have made some progress in that in terms of providing some linkages,'' Department of Veterans Affairs secretary Mark Sullivan said in a Senate budget estimates hearing last month.

He said drinking the water was linked to prostate cancer, bone marrow cancer, and two cancers of the lymphatic system, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and Hodgkin's lymphoma.

``It (RMA) is still considering the medical and scientific evidence for the inclusion of a potable water factor in the investigations for malignant neoplasm of the lung (lung cancer), soft tissue sarcoma, malignant neoplasm of the larynx (throat cancer) and acute myeloid leukemia,'' Mr Sullivan said.

The Department of Veterans Affairs is urging former navy personnel who have these conditions and served on ships that anchored in Vung Tau harbor to submit or resubmit claims.

``What we encourage all veterans to do, if they are unwell or have a condition or disease and they have any suspicion that that condition is related to their service, is to put in a claim. We will investigate it,'' Mr Sullivan said.

However, Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia president Ron Coxon said the Government had not gone far enough because veterans had to prove they spent a total of 30 days drinking the water.

``They talk about 30 cumulative days but we don't know how much of the dioxin actually settled in the tank because they never cleaned them,'' he said.

The initial toxicology report found that distilling seawater concentrated the dioxins in the water navy personnel were drinking and washing in to above safe levels.? The report was an attempt to explain why more navy personnel were dying after the war than other veterans.

Of the 55,000 Australians who served in Vietnam, 12,376 were in the navy.

Opposition veteran’s affairs spokesman Allan Griffin said the Department of Veterans Affairs was not being active enough about warning veterans who might be at risk.
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(Gee, I think we just discussed that very issue regarding our own government called outreach.)
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(I would also think that includes any ships that stopped in Guam for stores and potable water.}
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Simon Kearney
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Yup, somehow I KNEW there'd be a few around here that this is pertinent to. I sailed on the same ships that operated there not long AFTER the "conflict". I can only hope the tanks were clean by then.

They say the ones that got it the worst were the guys on the carriers that were mixing the stuff up and loading it onto the planes. They were literally covered with the stuff 24/7.
 
Wonderful! Spent a fair amount of time cruising between Vung Tau and Nha Be

Bored more than one or two holes in the water on Yankee Station. Wasn't working the flight deck however, I was firmly ensconced in the Parachute Loft making suit bags ;)
 
we made our own water
Right, they all did. If they took in AO contaminated seawater apparently it wouldn't distill out and wound up in the FW tanks. Who knows how long it lasted in there. You all realize the above article involves the Aussie Navy right? But that doesn't mean our ships weren't affected too. I just want you guys to be aware that you may have unknowingly been exposed. Last I recall they dumped in the neighborhood of 9 MILLION gallons of AO on VN. That some of it ran off and contaminated the rivers and on outward is pretty much a given.
 
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As far as I know from a fair bit of reading on this issue, AO has not been convincinly linked to any cancers. Not saying it's good for you, not saying that the vets don't have health issues, just that there are no good studies showing AO causing cancer.

This has been a hot political issue and there is tremendous pressure to demonstrate a link. Further complicated by the regrettable tendency of all too many "advocates" to damn anyone who questions the link as not caring about veterans.

There are simply too many problems with studying this. For example, what constitutes exposure? We have the guys who were out in the bush when there was spraying. The "Ranch Hand" crews who actually did the spraying. Others who may have had some exposure, but we're not sure. And does the exposure route matter? Skin contact, inhalation, drinking water? Duration of exposure? Host variables? It's a mess, made worse by politics and emotions, including guilt on America's part over our neglect of our Vietnam vets.

Now it's been a few years since I looked into this, so maybe there's better data now. I'll be surprised.

We need to know whether there were 'excess' cancers: more cancers than would be expected in an age-and -sex-and-habit-matched group who had not been exposed. I don't think the article makes it clear.
 
Vung Tau was nice (as nice as any place in a combat zone :eek: ) It was a major in-country R&R destination. I remember the "Ranch Hand" Sqdn at Danang had a shoulder patch that read "Only We Can Prevent Forests". Not really on topic but when you're old, nothing is on topic!:what:
 
That's pretty interesting, to say the least.

When I was on the USS Constellation, a vietnam era
conventional carrier, I worked in one of the machinery
rooms where we made the fresh water.

The seachests aren't picky about what they suck up,
and the evaporators wouldn't always take out all of the
contaminants. There were several occasions when JP-5
was dumped overboard, got sucked up by the intakes
and made it through the evaps into the potable water
system. You could taste the jet fuel everytime you took
a drink when the system was aligned to the tank that
you had put that water into.

So I can totally see some agent orange making it's way
into the drinking water onboard ship if you were operating
close to shore.

Probably only really affected the small boys though.
I seriously doubt the carriers ever got that close in, to
where AO concentrations in the seawater would be a
threat.

standard issue
 
Thank the Good Lord Detachment Charlie was land-based Navy and all I had to do was get shot at and drink beer. So I did my part, and more. I think that's why they gave me a medal, the beer part, not the shootin' part. Not sure though. It was a long time ago.
What I do remember with crystal clarity is Jane Fonda, that commie, traitor b*%ch.:fire:
Sorry, that just popped out -- flashback, I guess. Wars end, combat never does.
 
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