Have you acheived 2000 fps in the .357 Magnum?

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Has anyone been able to achieve 2000 fps with their .357 magnum loads in a
6" barrel ? I am working towards that goal using the Hornady 110 grain HP-XTP and AA#9 powder. If you have I would appreciate your load info.
 
Sounds like a bad idea to me.

Accurate does not recommend AA#9 with either 110 grain or 125 grain bullets in the .357.

Pretty sure there is a good reason for that!

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Why would you want to achieve 2000 fps? Is there something to be gained from that that can't be done with say 1400fps?
 
MY BOOK DOES NOT HAVE A 110 LOAD FOR AA9, THE HOTTEST LOAD SHOWN IS WITH 21.O GR OF VIHT N 110, AT 1693 FPS IN A 6 INCH GUN, THATS A LONG WAY FROM 2000 FPS, SO WHAT KIND OF GUN ARE YOU TRYING TO BLOW UP?:neener: CSA
 
It is possible to exceed 2,000 with AA #5 (Not AA #9) in a 10" Contender.

I just don't see it happening at safe pressure in a revolver with a cylinder gap.

Especially a 6" revolver!

rc
 
Well not 2000 F.P.S. but I have done 1500 before with a 160 keith bullet. It was very dangerous I do not even recomend it. Stay away from high velocity loads in handgun they were only made to do so much and then the big BOOM happens and its where did my hand go? Just my 2 cents
 
Somebody do Quickload and tell us what kind of pressure it would take.
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Actually, it's not pressure as much as total pressure area under the curve. A rifle of a given caliber can give considerably more velocity due to a combination of peak pressure and how long it's applied to the projectile.

Modern Loading By Lee lists 14.4 to 16.0 of Blue Dot with a 110 giving 2040 fps. Pressure is listed at 33,800, which seems kinda steep. Best check SAAMI specs before proceeding.

I realize it's not a .357 mag, but it can be done rather easily in a Contender in .357 Herrett.

You need to understand these are entirely different animals. My Herrett uses rifle cases (cut down .30-30's) with a fast rifle powder, which is still considerably slower than a pistol powder. The slow powder keeps a reasonable peak pressure but pushes for a longer period of time. Note also that the Contender can withstand more pressure than a revolver.

This is the same reason that a .22-250 gets more velocity than a .223 even though they may shoot exactly the same bullet. Case capacity and burn rate of powder.

Get the right tool for the right job and all that
 
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Quickload is showing about 66950 psi for a 110gr bullet with AA#9 out of a 6" barrel to achieve 2012 fps. I highly do not recommend this!
 
gary reeder does a ruger blackhawk conversion. calls it a 356 gnr. gets around 2000-2200 fps. takes a 41 mag brings it down to a 357(356)
 
Modern Loading By Lee lists 14.4 to 16.0 of Blue Dot with a 110 giving 2040 fps. Pressure is listed at 33,800, which seems kinda steep. Best check SAAMI specs before proceeding.
I have shot these loads out of my Ruger's with no problems but never cronographed them. There's plenty of kick & lots of muzzle flash. I followed the loading data to the letter, used the exact primer, powder (weighed each one), bullet and held the overall cartridge length to what is listed. I would not shoot a steady diet of these, unless you want to accelerate wear in your revolver. LM
 
Hodgdon is listing a velocity of 2078 fps with pressures of 37,200 CUP using a 110 Hornady XTP bullet and a charge of 23.0gr W296/H110. I think they are using a 10" pressure barrel though, not a 6" revolver.

IMO AA#9 is the wrong powder to push that hard. The pressures climb quickly with AA#9.

I'm fairly sure you can achieve 2000 fps with a 110gr bullet using VV N110 according to their data. They list a 7" barrel on the site.

All that said, like asked above, why??
 
Quickload is showing about 66950 psi for a 110gr bullet with AA#9 out of a 6" barrel to achieve 2012 fps.
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Be sure to make a video! If it's really good (and you're pretty lucky in the blowup) it might pay some of the doctor bills... :D
I am working towards that goal using the Hornady 110 grain HP-XTP and AA#9 powder.
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I think that you may be surprised when you find out what you're ACTUALLY working towards.
 
>>Has anyone been able to achieve 2000 fps with their .357 magnum loads in >>a
>>6" barrel ? I am working towards that goal using the Hornady 110 grain HP->>XTP and AA#9 powder. If you have I would appreciate your load info.

Model14......an interesting question. I'll make the assumption that you are working towards a goal of 2000fps using the above stated parameters _WITHOUT_ undue risk.

I looked in some manuals, and plugged some values into QUICKLOAD. I don't think you can do it with the stated parameters. Even if you have a "fast" firearm.

You'd need LOTS more barrel length and/or more case capacity. Or a different powder.

I "QUICKLOADED" a situation where I seated the bullet only .100 inch deep, ((for increased case capacirty)), and still couldn't do 2000fps at SAAMI psi limit.

FjLee Denver CO
 
Thanks everyone for the interesting inputs. I don't intend to blow myself or my 686 up. The reason I brought this up was that I noted in the Speer #13 manual that they listed VH110 with a 110 grain bullet doing over 2000 fps. If you look at Hodgdon' Burn Rate list they show AA#9, Vitavouri N110, and Hodgdon 110 as 45, 46, 49 respectively; which would imply that the AA#9 may be able to achieve about the same velocity as the 110's.

Please note that I am currently achieving 1550 fps using 13.0 grains of AA#7 with a Hdy 110 HP-XTP bullet. Based on my casing expansion measurements and the feel of the recoil and blast, I am stiil in a relatively mild area. Now, I know everyone wants me to be safe; and I want me to be safe, but can any of you give me an example of the max limit with AA#9? Note that the Speer manual says that the load for VH110 completely fills the case using the 110 bullet.

Why would I want to achieve 2000 fps? Who knows what makes us tick. I can already hit a deer at 100 yards within 3" of his heart, yet I still try for the 1 moa group with my 686. Its' there :)
 
There is more to picking a powder then the burn rate chart.

Some powders like to suddenly "spike" in pressure over a certain pressure limit or when a certain charge weight mass is reached.
Some won't burn right at all without a certain amount of bullet mass in front of them and could cause squib loads.

I have to imagine that is why Accurate doesn't recommend #9 with 110 or 125 grain bullets.
It's called pressure tested data.

If the manufacture finds a defuglity in the pressure curve with a certain bullet weight, they simply do not recommend the powder for that use.

As in thier #9 data that says N/R with 110 or 125 grain bullets.

rc
 
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The reason I brought this up was that I noted in the Speer #13 manual that they listed VH110 with a 110 grain bullet doing over 2000 fps.
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Please double check that. If your Speer #13 does state that, then you have a different printing of that manual than I do.

The fastest they list is is with VV N110 (not sure what "VH110" powder is meant to be), and with a 21.0 grain compressed load it achieves 1693 fps in a 6" S&W Model 19.

Were you, by chance, looking at the .357 Magnum Rifle pages instead? You can get 2,000 + fps in a rifle even with relatively light loads.
 
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