Have You Registered Your Taser?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Dave P

Member
Joined
Dec 24, 2002
Messages
1,604
Location
North Florida
The Brady Bunch should be very happy with the steps that Taser has taken to control their devices:

Eye-catching new Taser sparks controversy

By David Schwartz 14 minutes ago

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (Reuters) - It resembles a hand-held electric razor and is available in metallic pink, electric blue, titanium silver and black pearl.
ADVERTISEMENT

But it gives out a 50,000-volt jolt that short-circuits brain signals and momentarily incapacitates.

Meet the sleek new C2 stun gun from Taser International in Scottsdale, a controversial device aimed mainly at women consumers that has sparked widespread concern among U.S. law enforcement and human rights groups.

Police forces in the United States have been issued with Tasers since 1999 to subdue violent criminals. A pistol-like civilian version aimed at the self-defense market has been available since 1994.

But the new, lighter, brighter designer version, which was launched in late July with a price tag of around $350, is small enough to tuck into a purse and packs the same paralyzing punch.

"We wanted to make sure that it was something that people were comfortable carrying and didn't make it look like they were 'Dirty Harry,"' said Tom Smith, the company's co-founder and board chairman, referring to the Clint Eastwood movie.

"And it does the job."

But some of the nation's top police authorities are concerned that the gadgets could easily wind up in the wrong hands. Amnesty International also is opposed, saying it can pose "serious harm" for women.

The C2 Taser, which fires two electrical probes and is equipped with a laser sight, can legally be sold to consumers in all but seven U.S. states. It is largely banned for civilian use throughout the rest of the world.

"If a police officer or a civilian is stunned with a Taser there are a whole array of things that can happen and most of them are very bad," said Jim Pasco, executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police in Washington, D.C.

Pasco, whose group represents 325,000 police officials nationwide, said the immobilizing devices should be limited to well-trained law enforcement professionals.

"There's a tremendous amount of respect and accountability that goes along with a police officer using a Taser," he said. "This Taser is no more regulated than a hair drier."

An official with the International Association of Chiefs of Police in Alexandria, Virginia, said the group is concerned that the device had the potential of making an already dangerous job worse for police.

"It's just one more thing that law enforcement officers will have to face in their day-to-day activities," said Wendy Balazik, a spokeswoman for the 20,000-member association.

STEPS FOR SAFETY

Taser said the gadget should be used for self defense. The idea is to fire the device, hit the intended target with its two electrical probes that stun a person for 30 seconds, drop the C2 at the scene and then run for help.

Company officials said they have taken steps to ensure that the C2 has ample safeguards, starting with its limited 15-foot (4.5-meter) range. Police can strike a target from 30 feet (9 meters).

The stun gun is shipped inert, meaning it can't be fired until the buyer registers it, goes through a background check and receives a five-digit activation code from the company.

When fired, the Taser shoots out paper confetti that identifies the serial number registered to its owner. One-on-one training also is available for an additional fee.

"We're hoping that we're doing everything we can to ensure to the best our ability that it's used correctly and if it's not, that we can identify the user," said Smith.

Smith said that everything carried on a police officer's belt can be purchased by civilians, and that the company has no control over the intent of an individual to do harm.

The company hopes to begin producing about 20,000 of the Tasers by the end of the year.
 
Yeah, because people can't have ANYTHING to defend themselves. If they remain defenseless, maybe predators will just leave them alone.

Do those lemmings at the Brady Campaign think that a person should have ANY means of defending themselves. Or is their entire mindset of self-defense revolve around "hope it's not your turn to die" and "please please don't kill me!!" Or do they even have the mental capacity to think about such things in a rare moment when they're not frantically thinking "guns bad! guns bad!"
 
My wife has been bugging me for one of those. Won't get her CHL and will barely touch the paintball marker, but she wants a Taser. o_O

IMO, give it some time and this thing will be reverse-engineered and then we'll hear about EPT (evil pink tasers).
 
The stun gun is shipped inert, meaning it can't be fired until the buyer registers it, goes through a background check and receives a five-digit activation code from the company.

I'll stick to OC then for those times I can't carry a firearm. To heck with them! I hate dealing with "ET's" in software, no way I'm gonna deal with that in a defensive weapon. :cuss:
 
Just replace one word!
When fired, the Gun shoots out paper confetti that identifies the serial number registered to its owner.

I can see the California Bill already :banghead:
 
An official with the International Association of Chiefs of Police in Alexandria, Virginia, said the group is concerned that the device had the potential of making an already dangerous job worse for police.

They'd rather be shot?
 
The stun gun is shipped inert, meaning it can't be fired until the buyer registers it, goes through a background check and receives a five-digit activation code from the company.
Hey, it's their business. I'll stick with my guns.


I'll stick to OC then for those times I can't carry a firearm.
Agreed. If OC works, it sure won't be "momentary".
 
I have serious misgivings about using this technology...

Or I should say, I have serious misgivings about the intended use of this technology. Particularly this part:

Taser said the gadget should be used for self defense. The idea is to fire the device, hit the intended target with its two electrical probes that stun a person for 30 seconds, drop the C2 at the scene and then run for help.

Why does that bother me, you may ask? Unless there is a police officer within 15 feet, once a civilian uses this Taser in self-defence, and then drops it, 30 seconds later you get a criminal who is now armed with a Taser. :uhoh: I consider this to be a rather significant negative externality. Of course, one would call the police after getting themselves to safety, but I wouldn't count on the perpetrator being there when the police arrive. Even though I would never dream of suggesting banning them from civilian use and ownership, it seems to me that Tasers are best when used by people who have backup (usually the police).
 
Unless there is a police officer within 15 feet, once a civilian uses this Taser in self-defence, and then drops it, 30 seconds later you get a criminal who is now armed with a Taser.

No way. The confetti will slow him down significantly :p

A $350 taser would be a better score than what he'd likely get from somebody's wallet.

Do they really think criminals would prefer an expensive taser to a cheaper, more letal weapon (gun, knife, bat, etc)?
 
Why does that bother me, you may ask? Unless there is a police officer within 15 feet, once a civilian uses this Taser in self-defence, and then drops it, 30 seconds later you get a criminal who is now armed with a Taser. I consider this to be a rather significant negative externality. Of course, one would call the police after getting themselves to safety, but I wouldn't count on the perpetrator being there when the police arrive. Even though I would never dream of suggesting banning them from civilian use and ownership, it seems to me that Tasers are best when used by people who have backup (usually the police).

No, they're armed with a crappy contact stun gun. The barb shooting cartridges are the useful part.
 
mdao,

Are you implying that most criminals will never be able be able to get their mits on replacement cartridges?
 
Are you implying that most criminals will never be able be able to get their mits on replacement cartridges?

They can, the darts are fairly expensive (though getting cheaper) so unless the guy wants to shell out more cash to replace the cartridges than it would cost to buy a gun off the street (ilegally). I doubt that will be a problem.

I know a guy who holds several patents for Taser technology and he started working with tasers to provide LEO with nonlethal options that work. He has stated that a taser is not the best choice for personal defense, infact he recommend to me "use a gun" that tasers are for people that won't carry a gun, law enforcement, and trained individuals. Not surprised to see his company isn't marketing this thing. His most current product resembles a pistol and uses better darts. He is also researching the use of high voltage/low current electrical impulse to stimulate movement in parapalegics and quadrapelegics. Interesting that taser technology can also mobilize people.
 
Dave P said:
The stun gun is shipped inert, meaning it can't be fired until the buyer registers it, goes through a background check and receives a five-digit activation code from the company.

When fired, the Taser shoots out paper confetti that identifies the serial number registered to its owner. One-on-one training also is available for an additional fee.
10 minutes with my dremel and soldering iron and i'll bypass everything here. An hour if I am feeling dumb that day. I'd most likely just make it a dumb switch that bypasses the entire non essential circuitry inside, and cut the little confetti compartment completely out and throw it in the air, saying Yay, i'm post# 15!
 
Last edited:
Awsome. Will be very useful at New Year's Eve partys. People can get wasted and shoot each other at midnight releasing showers of confetti and stunning each other for fun. I think they are on to something here.
 
Wow, these things are more regulated than handguns are here in Texas. If I'm gonna have to go through a background check, I'm gonna get a real gun out of it. And the confetti thing is just ridiculously stupid. If for some wierd reason I were to buy a taser, I would get the one Kimber just came out with.

EDIT: And when was the last time you had to go through a background check to buy a hair dryer? Not to mention the whole registration/activation code/confetti thing
 
And when was the last time you had to go through a background check to buy a hair dryer?
In Massachusetts to buy a hairdryer you need the background check and to complete a safe handling demonstration (make sure you won't use it in the bathtub) as well as a 10 day wait and registration.:neener:
 
Gee, let's see..

It costs more.
It does less.
The range is very limited.
If you miss once, you are out of options.
To top it off, it is more difficult to activate than Microsoft Windows.

This product makes no sense.
 
what you do when the criminal attacks you is you whip out your tazer

"Hey instead of taking my wallet that has $30 in it I will give you this nice shiney tazer, then you can go rob someone with more money than me. It is registered to me, so you won't get blamed!"
 
I got one on order for the ol'lady. She knows how to use a gun and we have several around the house. She does not want to get her ccw so the Taser was a compromise. She'll use a gun at the house and when she is out and about it's Taser time.
 
Useless and wasted technology. Nearly everytime the police use one they are criticized. It seems when overweight criminals who are high on drugs get shot, their heart stops anyway and everyone tries to blame the Tasar. There was one case where a severely emotionally disturbed young boy was trashing the scholl office and had a big piece of glass next to his throat threatening to slit it when police arrived, so they tasared him. Didn't keep them from criticism from people who thought it cruel to tasar a child, even to save his life. So now tasars offer at least an alternative to having to kill someone, and "THEY" are going to make it impossible or difficult to use. You HAVE to laugh!
 
^It's a shame. If I even were in need of detainment by a cop I'd prefer taser to night stick, flashlight, OC, or gun. People should quit complaining when cops use tools that are there to save lives.
I've been tasered for a demonstration. The man who did it placed the darts on my arm and at an extremely low voltage asked me to try and move my arm. I could not for the life of me move it. It was painful, all the muscles in my ark tried to flex at the same time. But it was very effective. And after the voltage was stopped within a minute my arm felt fine.
 
Wonder

Useless and wasted technology. Nearly everytime the police use one they are criticized. It seems when overweight criminals who are high on drugs get shot, their heart stops anyway and everyone tries to blame the Tasar. There was one case where a severely emotionally disturbed young boy was trashing the scholl office and had a big piece of glass next to his throat threatening to slit it when police arrived, so they tasared him. Didn't keep them from criticism from people who thought it cruel to tasar a child, even to save his life. So now tasars offer at least an alternative to having to kill someone, and "THEY" are going to make it impossible or difficult to use. You HAVE to laugh!

I wonder if anyone has ever bothered to do an analysis between the unintentded leathality of a beanbag round and a taser. Frankly, we know a lot of bad guys are going to be high and/or fat. Now we know that tasers kill them. It's only a matter of time before a court puts two and two together and find negligence on the part of a taser user for using a lethal (we know it kills certain types of people) force in a situation that didn't call for lethal force. A taser simply isn't a non-lethal weapon, it has proven this time and time again. If a bean bag round is less lethal still, I would rather use that. It's a hell of a lot cheaper also.
 
Please post some proof that tasers kill fat/high people. This is a net rumor that is being perpetuated.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top