Having to file down front sights on Rugers?

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Cosmoline

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I've only bought two NIB fixed sight Ruger revolvers over the years--a Vaquero and more recently an SP-101. On both of them I had to do quite a bit of filing on the front sight in order to raise the point of impact. Both grouped very well, however. Is this being done on purpose by Ruger to allow people to choose their point of impact, or is it just sloppy factory work?
 
That's good to know. The odd thing is, not one old Colt or S&W I've owned with fixed sights has needed to be filed. And I've owned far more vintage revolvers than new ones, including Police Positive Specials, Official Police, Colt .357, Colt Trooper Mk. III, Model 36's, Model 13's, etc.

I like this SP-101, but I must say they don't make them like they used to.
 
Hey, my NIB Ruger has the same problem. Nice grouping, but low and to the left. The windage I can adjust. Can you tell me how your filing down your sight? Using just a regular file? Do you polish it up with something afterwards? Any tips you gan give me would be helpful, as I've never tried this before.
 
I just stick the revolver in a vise (empty of course) and work the front sight down with a flat metal file. If you want to be more precise you could rig a guide. I just work it down a little bit, test it the next day, and repeat as needed until the zero is in a good spot. Ordinary gun black should work to cover up the exposed steel.
 
You Know........

I bought a new Ruger GP-100 .357 mag a couple of years ago. Fixed sights I believe. The front sight could be easily removed by inserting a small pin into a spring loaded hole in the end if the (unloaded) revolver. I removed the factory front sight and installed a Hi-Viz front sight. Took about 30 seconds. I don't know if your weapon has the same arrangement, but it might be worth a look before taking a file to it.
 
Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out! I read the whole Ruger manual before I fired the weapon, and I don't reccolect anything about that sight arraingment that you are saying, but it sure is worth a look!
 
I don't know if they do it on purpose or not. I have 2 - 3" GP 100's. One is perfect, the other is 2" low with most loads - though centered.
Randy
 
If its shooting low and left then that could be a flinch, test by loading a couple of spent casings along with three live ones and spin the cylinder so you dont know which is which. then fire away, when you hit a spent casing all will be revealed.

I must be lucky but I have found my two fixed sight revolvers, and sp101 and a vaquero hit to the point of aim out to 25 yards with reasonable loads, except of course on days when I am flinching then they hit low and left.


I would adjust the loads I fired before I attempted to permanantly alter my front sight.

JMHO YMMV
 
Single action, fixed-sight revolvers are intentionally manufactured with overly high front sights. Once you settle on a load you like, you sight the revolver in by filing down the front sight, which raises POI. When POI matches POA, your revolver is sighted in. It's been done like this for over 100 years.

The reason is that POI changes radically with different loads -- especially as bullet weight changes. Changing from a 200 grain bullet to a 255 grain bullet in a .45 Colt, for example, will raise POI a lot. Changing the powder charge will also change POI, but not by as much. Since the manufacturer can't know what load you are going to use, the gun is built with a high enough front sight to handle anything, and you can file it down to suit your load. If it was built with too low of a sight, the only remedy is to weld additional material onto it. That's not a good solution.

Of course, if your gun is printing low and you don't want to file the sight, you can always experiment with loads until you find one that matches your sights. Adding velocity will raise the POI, and switching to a heavier bullet will raise it even more.

Windage adjustment, by the way, is accomplished by turning the barrel in the frame, which requires a gunsmith (for most of us) and may involve removing and repositioning the front sight. A good quality fixed-sight revolver should not need to have the barrel turned -- windage should be on, or close enough, out of the box.
 
Adding velocity will raise the POI, and switching to a heavier bullet will raise it even more.

A heavier slower bullet will have a higher POI on targets out to 25 yards or so, more powder higher velocity with the same bullet will lower POI to some extent.

Why, because as the gun recoils the barrel rises, a faster moving bullet (all else being the same) will exit the barrel sooner meaning that the barrel will have risen less in recoil, the faster moving bullet will hit Lower on the target as a result.
 
YMMV. In my experience working with low-end (cowboy) loads, I've found that I can usually raise POI by increasing the powder charge slightly. I'm sure that at some point, you find diminishing returns, and perhaps even a reversal of the direction of POI. The loads I'm working with are usually in the 600-800 fps range.
 
A related question - is POI normally measured at around 25 yds? What's the general consensus? How much do you typically have to hold under for shorter ranges, say 5 yds ?
 
Cosmoline:

Before World War Two both Colt and S&W would target (shoot) revolvers at 20 yards to insure the sights were in the ballpark. Of course that isn't done today. The best answer for those that want precise point-of-aim/point-of-impact with a fixed sight revolver is to first try to find a particular load that works.

If this doesn't turn out to be the solution, and the barrel has a rib on it (such as a S&W model 10 heavy-barrel or Ruger .38/357 D.A. revolvers)) you can have a gunsmith remove the original front sight and cut a dovetail in the rib. Then mount a sight such as the kind sometimes intended for an automatic pistol (Colt, SIG, etc.). The sight can be driven in the dovetail to adjust for windage, and filed down to adjust for elevation. This will work for any load at any distance within reason. Refinishing the barrel is usually unnecessary.
 
Not only does my sp shoot poa..it's one of the most accuarate guns I've ever shot...I guess I got lucky.......I hate home-gunsmithing.. :cool:
 
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