HD plus deer hunting recommendation

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paddykern

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I don't know a thing about shotguns.

I usually hunt deer with a 30-30, but next year may need a shotgun for a new hunting zone.

Shotgun will only be used a few times for deer. Mostly interested in HD use. Can I use an 18.5 inch HD shotgun for deer, or will I need to get another barrel. I don't shoot birds (which is why I don't know a thing about shotguns)

So, what brand, model, sights (what are Ghost Sights and are they a good idea?), ammo for HD and for deer?

Anything else you can think of for this newbe would be appreciated.

paddykern
Westland MI
 
Remington makes a 20" smoothbore rifle sighted barrel for their 870 model that would serve both HD and deerhunting duties well. You can use a plain bead-sight barrel as well, the 18.5" barrel you mention will work well for both applications also. It will take a bit more work on your part if you are unfamiliar with shotguns to use a simple bead for shooting slugs, if that's what you plan to use. But lots of people use bead sights very effectively in shooting slugs, so it can be done. Several other companies make rifle sighted slug barrels for their shotguns as well, if you want something other than a Remington.

Talk to your friends, see if they will let you try out various makes and models to discover what you like best. Then go get one of those...

lpl/nc
 
I've hunted deer all my life with shotgun - you didn't mention if you were using buckshot or slug for deer? I've just recently moved to an area where BS is the only shot allowed for deer, but I grew up shooting rifles and slugs. If you were to go with slugs - go all out and purchase a "slug gun." I use a SG with a low 2.5 power scope when hunting on military bases and have killed alot of deer with awesome results from a well placed slug. Practice and know the limits of your gun and slug.

I have for 3 years now been using Bshot - 00 and 000. I have also had devasting results with both shot using a "full choke" made for buckshot hunting. I get a great pattern out to 40 yards. I've taken 7 deer with my buckshot set-up and none took more than a few steps after taking the full wad. I really didn't think I would like hunting with BS because of the "safety" precautions shooting so many pellets around the woods, but if you get yours patterned - you should be placing your shot into the deer at "your" effective range. :)
 
I have a home defense Benelli Nova SP with ghost rings that is eye-socket accurate on a human silhouette at 100 yards, shooting prone.

A Remington 870 Police Magnum with rifle sights would give you an excellent home defense combat shotgun, and yet be accurate at 50-100 yards with slugs for deer. And the rifle sights are the same as on a .30-30. 870PM's run about $400, a bit more than the 870 Express, but this is the base model for most serious combat shotguns, and the parkerized finish is definitely worth it if you're gonna hunt with it, the Express finish doesn't hold up to sweaty hands well without a silicone cloth wipedown often.
 
Hello All...

I was originally worried about barrel length as well, however this year I set out to collect some qualitative experience with a short factory barrelled (factory making it legal up here in Canada) Remington 870 shooting reduced recoil slugs. Thus far this experience has all been extremely positive

gun and ammo:

factory 14 inch barreled Rem 870
1 oz remington reduced recoil slug

This first one is a whitetail buck I shot with my 870 at a range of approximately 55 yards. I'd been stalking the buck, and was partially parked behind a terrain feature at about 100 yards when he made me via sound. He snuck back around the terrain feature, working his way downwind to confirm with his nose what he had heard. He hopped the fence and was about 20 yards away from winding me when he became temporarily distracted by some other deer movement (a large heard of mule deer about 150 yards away...too bad I only had whitetail tags left).

Slug performance was interesting. I'm zeroed for 85 yards, and that puts my mid point trajectory at about 3 inches high with my current rig at this range. In the excitement of the moment, I did not fully consider this and only held a little low. The slug impacted about 1.5 inches higher than I would have liked, punching through the lower part of the scapula and then deflecting slightly off the ribs rolling up through the right lung as it entered the deer's thorax. It rolled up along the top of the thoracic cavity and deformed significantly as it hit the spine, then rolling down through the left lung and exiting the thorax. It came to rest just under the skin right behind the offside shoulder on the back side of the deer. The recovered slug weighed in at 425 grains (97% of it's original mass of 437 grains). Incapacitation was instant as a result of the CNS damage.

whitetail kill animation (DANGER! GRAPHIC CONTENT)

This next one is a mule deer doe shot earlier in the season with the same rig at a range of approximately 85 yards. I had held for the bottom 3rd of the chest cavity and shot placement was exactly as intended. I mucked up the camera though and did not get the shot on film, however caught her just after she did the famous "kick-when-shot-through-the-heart" manouver and ran while bleeding out. Total distance she travelled after being shot was approximately 125 yards, most of it in a big circle. The other deer (doe with fawn and a nice little buck) in the herd were not terribly alarmed by the gunshot, however were terribly interested in what was happening to their herdmate. It was sad to watch as I was left with the strong impression they had concern for their dead companion.

The slug passed completely through the thorax, cutting a .75 caliber hole through both lung bottoms and through the middle of the heart. It then passed out the backside of the thorax creating a 0.75 caliber exit hole. It was not recovered.

If you look closely you can see both the entrance hole and the exit hole as the deer is doing her final circle.

mule deer kill animation (DANGER! GRAPHIC CONTENT)

And lastly, here are some terminal ballistic photographs of a spring bear (was not rigged up for video on that trip) I shot with this same rig in May of 2004. Range was approximately 25 yards. The slug hit the onside shoulder, passing through the deltoids and hitting the humerous square on, crushing it completely in two. It then exited the shoulder and entered the thorax, passing through both lungs and exiting out the other side. The slug was not recovered.

the entrance wound:

entrance wound (DANGER! GRAPHIC CONTENT)

and the wound channel through the thorax:

thorax passage (DANGER! GRAPHIC CONTENT)

I don't yet have my chronograph (coming soon though); I will post velocities out of 14 inch barrels as compared to 18.5 inch barrels soon.

Take care,

Brobee
 
My HD 870 served as venison procurement tool for a couple decades. 18" barrel and a string of one shot kills. My current slug shooter has a similar string and a 20" barrel. No difference I can see.

BB, those results are similar to the autopsies I've done, though my shots run much shorter. IIRC, the longest shot in the last decade was 46 yards or so.

Slugs, properly inserted and use within their range limits, are terrific on medium sized game.
 
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