What kind of sights do you like on your HD shotguns

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Title is pretty self explainatory.


My first shotgun only had a bead front sight and I wasn't crazy about it. Simple, and it worked, but it wasn't particularly fast or precise to acquire and in a life or death home defense situation I want fast and (somewhat) precise.

So, I became interested in rifle type sights on a HD shotgun.

My current HD shotgun (Benelli Nova 12ga with 18.5" barrel) has ghost sight sights. I'm thinking about getting night sights for it.

However, I've been thinking. Those are precise enough for HD and a shotgun, and the ghost sights are reasonably quick to pick up, but even quicker may be best for HD work. I'm thinking about a nice wide red dot sight for the shotty (I'm not a big lazer fan). Anyone here have a red dot sight on a HD shotgun? What do you think?

Anyway, how do you all have yours configured?
 
Currently a bead but moving to ghost ring to try it out.

Beads are very quick and reasonably accurate for short ranges, even for slugs. Not good in a low light situation though.

My biggest problem with red dots on a shotgun is the drop on shotgun stocks makes it difficult to get your head up high enough. YMMV.
 
Bead works just fine for me. Its not really needed at the ranges I face in HD though. More of a shoulder, point, and shoot for me.
 
It's the singer, not the song.- Louis Awerbuck

Bead sights or no sights at all can work fine for close ranges as in most real HD scenarios. Just takes getting well accustomed to what you are shooting- no need for sights to hit your mouth with a loaded soup spoon after all, and your HD shotgun (or any defensive firearm one counts on) should be just as familiar as that.

I personally like sights on a working shotgun, because I spend enough time outdoors with one to feel they are worthwhile. Plus the go-to guns here are mostly shotguns and slugs are in all the SideSaddles as reloads, because we live waaaaay out in the country. And note that these are DEFENSIVE weapons we are talking about here, might be kinda hard to make a case for shooting at something 200 yards away and calling it self defense, under most circumstances.

With aging eyes, aperture sights are preferable to most open sights for me so my pick for a dedicated fighting shotgun is ghost rings. The XS express style dot or big dot sights are the fastest open type sights I have used on a shotgun and can be had with tritium to boot.

I don't like optical sights on a fighting shotgun but if they work for someone else that's their business. Not for me to say it doesn't work at all, no don't do it, when any given person might be able to use them better than I can use GRs. Gonna have to raise the comb on your stock most likely to get it to line up right with your eye, learn to mount the new stock configuration properly, learn to find the dot without hunting for it in the sight, learn to turn it on when you lay hands on the gun and turn it off when you finish or else kill the battery and then figger out why it doesn't work next time you pick it up... and so on.

Never had a battery go kerflunk in a tritium sight yet tho, never had to turn one on to use it or forgot to turn it off. Anybody what can't hit with a bead at across the room ranges isn't going to get any faster or more accurate with an eeelectronical dot, I can assure you, and the $$$ would be far better spent on practice ammo and training.

lpl/nc (reprobate curmudgeon old phart stuck in the mud, and getting worse all the time)
 
The short barrel I bought years ago came with rifle sights, but you certainly don't need them; at inside home distances, a bead is plenty. That said, I swapped the normal rifle sights for a set with Tritium inserts.
 
i've been using a bead for quite some time now and enjoy the simplicity of it. it even works well for me with slugs out to the ranges i would use slugs for. have been considering upgrading to a big dot tritium bead though.
 
For me, I prefer a simple bead sight for HD.

Its easy, quick to acquire... dunno maybe its shooting the clays and thats what I'm used to.

But I find beads to be much simpler than GR sights, for beads its just point and shoot. How much easier can it get! :D
 
Using a bead sight, I can hit a small target moving upwards of 50mph at 40 yards almost every time. I'm pretty sure that I could hit a much slower and larger target at under 20' with the same setup.
 
+1 for TrapperReady

Rib and Bead for me. I have dropped several deer up to 50 yds using this set up. Not worried about distance in my house hitting the appropriate sized target.

Charby
 
I have beads on all but one of my shotguns. They're accurate enough out to 50 yards.

The exception is a new barely-used Winchester SX2 Shadow Grass that came with a teeny green fiber optic sight that might just be smaller than an average bead. I smeared mud on it to kill the glow and now I like it.

John
 
+1 Trapper.

If I can see it - I can fell it.

I learned to shoot without sights on shotguns, handguns, and rifles - no scopes either.

Shotguns are pointed - not aimed.

Gun fit is that damn important. Sure there are "special situations" one has a stationary target...

...Most times something is moving - be it the target -OR - Shooter 'scootin' and shooting'

One's shotgun had better damn fit for the task - elsewise it ain't gonna hit what pointed at.

I was to taught without "crutches" - meaning I was taught to shoot with the correct basic fundamentals.

A bead comes off, no biggie, I've run a 100 straight many times without one...clay is about 4".

Yeah - I like to shoot moving orange clays targets with slugs as well. I prefer slugs, I figure if I can hit a clay moving either in flight, wabbit target, or me scootin', shuckin' and slapping triggers...
Just hold a orange clay target up to your COM and look in the mirror.

Note:
This is NOT to talk down about One pc synthetic stocked shotguns.
I have broken 4 of these. They have to go back to factory.

I have busted the stocks, again factory. In some instructions, I had to buttstroke one BG/target away, and fire at another BG/target. It really really sucks.

Oh I grabbed a 1300, managed to break the forearm wood on that one.. no biggie, these are easy to get , have as spares, and easy to fit right there on the spot. Which we did.

I had a spare 870 stock in synthetic I picked for another at Academy Sports...we impromtu train a bit rough at times- the ability to fix quickly is important. Just like in the real world. Recent disasters did not afford folks ways or means to get parts, or recieve parts. Having spares and the abilty to fix themselves is a timeless reality.

Can you hit with what you got? Are you screwed because the night sights, ghosts, peeps, or lights are down?
 
Chaim, come on down to PGC with me and I'll show you what can be done with a bead. I'll even lend you an 870.....

The reason my two "Serious" 870s have peeps is they double as venison getters and that means slugs here.

But, much good work is done with just a bead or even without one. I'll be happy to demonstrate.....
 
Let me at least cast the one vote for rifle sights.
I'm quite fond of Remington's stock rifle sights on my 870.
While a bead works well, and I would not feel handicapped if mine had one, I prefer a bit more precision in a defense gun.

I want to be able to hit the third button up from the buckle....at distance if necessary.

For close up work one may not even use the sights be they rifle, bead or other.
But if the bad guy is lobbing bullets my way from behind cover, being able to have a bit more aiming capability is not a hinderance.

My $0.03 (inflation)

Smoke
 
You can get a BSA red dot 1X scope at Wal mart for about 30 dollars. I like it and it works very well. I can aquire targets very quickly in very low light and have great accuracy. The problem is you will need to do several things to bring it into action. You need to pop the lens covers off and turn the red dot on. This takes a few seconds and every second counts.

If you get a red dot make sure you use thread lock otherwise it will work loose under recoil. Also sight it in at short range. You might look into those holographic sights as well.

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I have removed the red dot scope and I am currently using the point method. For greater precision I have a bead front sight and a screw for the rear sight. It works pretty good. The cut in the screw for the screwdriver is just the right width for the bead front sight.

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Steve

You can hit a moving clay flyer with a slug? Holy $h** I am not worthy. I thought I was pretty good by shooting deer in the brush as I kick them out their beds, you got me beat by a long shot.

Charby
 
I admit I am a bit rusty, add my eyes are not quite as they used to be.
Yes I was hitting moving clays with slugs.

I cannot, nor will I get into some matters, privacy if you will. In another life I had reason to get really low profile. I quit competitions for many reasons, one being I need more lower profile. In that other life security was a huge concern, so I had a willingness to learn, access to what needed and some very close, trusted folks. Impromtu training if you will.

I kept shooting 9 pellet buckshot in 12ga at skeet, then the 5 stand set up. Low 8 with buckshot - my Tueller Drill. From low gun mount. Same for #3 buck from a 20 ga. Never had a problem with 20 ga slugs either.

I then transitioned to wabbit targets with slugs. Adjusting the traps really low, and slower, starting at low 7 I would shoot as many as 200 times a day at wabbits , low 7, low 8 low 6. Bone stock shotguns, some with beads, some with mid beads/ front beads - some none at all.

Yes you can run a straight using 00, #3 buckshot, you can even do this using slugs at high 1, and other stations...boy was low 5 a bit tricky...

I've typed many times - best kept secret is a 20 ga 1100...these fit in duffles, assembled easy in hotels...even delivered to you in a hotel for temporary use...

Before 3 gun become what it is today - I/ we were scootin', shooting, slapping triggers at stationary targets - often times orange clays.

"Focus small - hit small"

I harp about gun fit for a very good reason. Gun fit to shooter for task.

Pumps, Semis, and who knows how many rds with a Single Shot shotgun. Even the lowly .410. I was then as I am now determined to survive...I figure if I can hit 10/10 with a single shot .410 with slugs at low 7 - close enough for gubmint work.

I often carried a bone stock pump gun with 20" bbl in my vehicle. No side saddle, no light - just a 'bird gun". I just carried it into hotels, motels in its Garment Bag. Easy Access in case something went 'bump' in the night...

I played some shotgun games still - these were not sanctioned, no yearly dues, no magazine subscriptions...some call it bootleg. We called it having fun, relieveing stress, sanity checks...and impromtu training.

Where I get into trouble is the part about NOT getting "into" the firearms. At one Impromtu training, instead of actually going for the shotgun - I turned tail and run straight for the "balcony" thru the "patio doors" and using the drain pipe hit the "ground floor" and beat feet to a ditch.

Army Ranger just grinned, "damn son, you survived and didn't even fire a shot--you passed this one I'd say".

My goal has been to never be involved with Problem 1, that for sure alleviates Problem 2.

Shotguns and firearms use and training is great. I spent a lot of time on the Awareness, beefing up layers of security , and not being where trouble was going to be.

Things got a bit "hot" on a clay field one day, seems I had been tailed. I left that club in the truck of anothers vehicle. Someone else drove my vehicle out, later on.

It appeared I went in the clubhouse to use the restroom, instead I went out the back door. I walked away from my shotgun, my range bag, - I just left in a real big hurry. All my stuff was retreived for me, I got it later...distance was my friend that day, distance has been my friend since as well.

In that other life if I said I would be arriving at noon Monday - it meant 5pm Tuesday - perhaps, similar. We had our own way of doing things. We never trusted anyone to not overhear converstations, or read scratch pads. All legit...just some things have always had their own ways is all.

Steve
 
Check out the fiber optic sites on the Winchester 1300 turkey shotgun.

It is a rifle sight but with fiber optics - i was amazed how natural it was to sight.
The front site is red and the back has two green fiber optics. You sight the red in the middle of the two green sort of like a three dot pistol sight.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=512&type_id=902&cat=012C

Heres a link but it doesn't show the fiber optic sights too well. Plus, with the 18" barrel I think it would make an ok home defense shotgun too.
 
A simple bead does well for me, rifle sights seem ok too but I sort of prefer the bead. I have yet to try ghost rings but they seem promising, if I get a Mossberg 590 I'll try to get them though it does mean you can't use that nifty heatshield I think if the ghost rings are installed!
 
The more I researched it and held shotguns with varying sights, I've come to the conclusion that the Bead that came on my 870 is about as good as it gets. With that bead, I can put 5 slugs in a hole the size of my fist at 50 yards-it took a while to "dial" it in but now I have it. I would if anything, like a bigger bead. Do they make bigger bead sights for shotguns? Mike
 
I have the standard rifle sights on my Super 90, and they are fine - do well with slugs at long range, too.

My favorite shotgun sights, however, are the ones on my Scattergun Tech 870. You know, the ghost ring rear sight they use; it's the ultimate IMHO, along with the nice front post.

Across the room or deck, sights are pretty irrelevant, but this nice ghost ring set up gives my shotgun another dimension. I shoot slugs at 75-100 yards on my range occasionally. Slugs are darn accurate if you have decent sights, and these sights turn my old 870 into a very large caliber rifle.
 
Geez, guys, where do these threads come from?

Clearly, I'm not spending enough time in the shotgun forum, my name sake, if 20 posts get up before I see it. Sheesh.

<Ashamedly bows head. Too caught up am I in other forums with names like "legal & political" <dark sucking sound>,
rifle country <fast wizzing sound>, and those ever popular handguns {so sexy they are}...

Maybe we should rename 'Shotguns' to 'Blow his internal organs out with one shot.'

OK, back to reality.

I agree with the majority of Mike, Moonclip, SM, Dave, Trapper, JohnBT, Black Majic, Proven, Lee & Andrew:
a bead is enough for SD/HD.

Want to reach out and touch someone at 85 yds? Go for GR or rifles.

Want to dissect a bg's liver/heart/spleen/lung at 15' or 15"?
A bead is enough.

I'll take 'beads' for $100 please, Alex.

Nem
 
I like one white bead, two beads if I am feeling fancy. No bead is fine with me too.
 
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