Head space question

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Sorry if this is one of those tedious questions I should have found the answer to in the archives.

I bought the L.E. Wilson case gauges and am starting to go through my 5.56 brass.* There are quite a few that the head space is just a touch above the max line.* Is that a big issue?* I know it is out of SAAMI spec but would the difference of the thickness of a 3x5 card be?
 
All depends if your chamber in your gun is spec or slightly over size. Test in your gun to see if there is a problem. But normally if they set high it can cause problems.
 
The thickness of a 3X5 card is a lot when talking head space. It very well may give you trouble.

Yep, depends on your chamber.
 
It also depends on why it sits proud in the gauge. Bent and distorted rims and case heads have been known to confuse the headspace issue with these types of gauges. Always check the rim/case head, by inserting the case backaswards, headstamp first to double check for deformed heads.
 
The thickness of a 3X5 card is a lot when talking head space. It very well may give you trouble.
Yep, depends on your chamber.
That thin a difference...wow...I didn't know that. I understand there would be a point that headspace could cause a case head separation or too much length could cause a failure to bolt close but didn't realize it was that critical. Again...thanks
 
It almost sounds to me like you are checking fired brass in the case gage before sizing it?

Shirley you aren't doing that are you???
(I know! Don't call you Shirley!)

FL size first, and THEN use the gage to adjust case headspace setting in the sizing die adjustment.

rc
 
It also depends on why it sits proud in the gauge. Bent and distorted rims and case heads have been known to confuse the headspace issue with these types of gauges. Always check the rim/case head, by inserting the case backaswards, headstamp first to double check for deformed heads.

This is good advice.
 
I discovered that the brass gauges a whole lot better if the full length die is turned in further than you think you need it. I turned my Lee full length die in a 1/4 turn and re ran all my brass (1000 pieces Lake City 5.56 mil range brass) and checked about 100 pieces. All passed the gauge test so now I'm moving on to trimming before I load.

By the way this is the first time I've tried to load any rifle ammo so I'm being extra careful.

I appreciate all of your great advice and comments.

Jim
 
kc9aop Sorry if this is one of those tedious questions I should have found the answer to in the archives.

I bought the L.E. Wilson case gauges and am starting to go through my 5.56 brass.* There are quite a few that the head space is just a touch above the max line.* Is that a big issue?* I know it is out of SAAMI spec but would the difference of the thickness of a 3x5 card be?

3X5X what. I will assume we are talking about a card used for keeping recipes. Then there is SAAMI, you have a choice, use the Wilson case gage or use SAAMI.

http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC_Drawings/Rifle/223 Remington.pdf

It should be obvious a reloader should have one standard, there is no way to make SAAMI, the chamber and the Wilson case gage agree. I am the fan of the standard and the transfer.

Next time I would suggest you check the length of the case from the shoulder/datum to the head of the case in the Wilson case gage. It is very simple to do, just place the new/unfired case into the case gage then determine the position of the case head with the top of the gage. The gage has two flats/steps, one is minimum length/full length sized, the top/upper step is go-gage length. You choose a file card, the thickness of the file card is to be added to the length of the of a go-gage: Problem, no one knows the length of a go-gage from the datum to the go-gage head.

Instead of a index card I use a straight edge, the straight edge was suggested as far back as the early 50s when using the Wilson case gage. With the/a straight edge I use the feeler gage. I place the straight edge over the case head then measure the gap between the straight edge and top step of the gage to determine case head protrusion above the gage. All of this information is like SAAMI, if you did not measure the length of the new/unfired case from the datum to the case head measuring the length of the case after firing is a little less than nice to know.

To make it more clear the Wilson case gage is a comparator, success is determined by the skill of the user. When the case is placed in the Wilson case gage the shoulder of the case is supported by the datum, that makes it fail proof as in ‘cannot miss’. the two steps on the Wilson case gage are measured from the datum in the gage. SAAMI says the length of the chamber from the datum to the bolt face is/or could be 1.463” to 1.473”, they list the length of the case from the shoulder to the head of the case as 1.666” but could include anything down to 1.659 (a –.007”). I make my own gages.

It is not absolutely necessary to use a straight edge, for those that have a flat surface the gage with the protruding case head can be placed on a flat surface with the case head down, the gap between the flat surface and the gage can then still be measured with a feeler gage or as listed in a reloading catalog, a thickness gage.

So without knowing the length of the chamber or the length of the case from the datum/shoulder to the case head the protruding case head above the Wilson case gage is just nice to know. I want to know the effect the chamber had on the case when fired, to accomplish that I must know the length of the case before it was fired, I could fire first then then measure then start sizing by bumping, instead I choose to know the length of the case before firing, the length of the case after firing and the length of the case after sizing.

F. Guffey
 
Not a bad or tedious question at all IMO. I had my first go round with a gauge a few wks ago and wondered how much was to much myself. They (gauges) can be a little awkward for the first time or two I'd say.
 
AR15- M16A1 Head Clearance.

I would buy a box of Federal Ammunition 5.56x45mm NATO 55 Grain XM193 Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail (not for 223 Rem chambers) and fire them. Put the fired brass in your gage and see where they sit. Then size your brass so they fit the gage to the same level or slightly lower. Casegage012Aa.jpg Comparators are more accurate then a cartridge gage. IMO>
Field Gage

•Duplicates the maximum allowable distance, from the case head (or boltface) to the datum line of the cartridge's shoulder, allowed within the chamber to secure a loaded cartridge and allow the breech to be closed in a safe manner for firing.

•If the firearm locks up in battery when the gage is inserted, then it is at the maximum acceptable headspace and should be examined further by a knowledgeable gunsmith.
 
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COMPARATORS ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN A CARTRIDGE GAGE

Exception, always exceptions, depends on the skill and knowledge of the user of the tool. Again, I make tools and I am the fan of verifying, I verify the accuracy of a tool.

I am humble and modest, my favorite tool is the feeler gage, If I had a big ego the price of the feeler gage would not allow me to use it.

F. Guffey
 
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