Heads up - your cellphone calls are logged and may be sold

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For all using cellphones, but particularly for those in law enforcement and other sensitive occupations, this is a VERY serious situation! I hope something can be done to stop it, but I'm not holding my breath...

From the Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-privacy05.html):

Your phone records are for sale

January 5, 2006

BY FRANK MAIN Crime Reporter

The Chicago Police Department is warning officers their cell phone records are available to anyone -- for a price. Dozens of online services are selling lists of cell phone calls, raising security concerns among law enforcement and privacy experts.

Criminals can use such records to expose a government informant who regularly calls a law enforcement official.

Suspicious spouses can see if their husband or wife is calling a certain someone a bit too often.

And employers can check whether a worker is regularly calling a psychologist -- or a competing company.

Some online services might be skirting the law to obtain these phone lists, according to Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who has called for legislation to criminalize phone record theft and use.

In some cases, telephone company insiders secretly sell customers' phone-call lists to online brokers, despite strict telephone company rules against such deals, according to Schumer.

And some online brokers have used deception to get the lists from the phone companies, he said.

"Though this problem is all too common, federal law is too narrow to include this type of crime," Schumer said last year in a prepared statement.

The Chicago Police Department is looking into the sale of phone records, a source said.

Late last month, the department sent a warning to officers about Locatecell.com, which sells lists of calls made on cell phones and land lines.

"Officers should be aware of this information when giving out their personal cell phone numbers to the general public," the bulletin said. "Undercover officers should also be aware of this information if they occasionally call personal numbers such as home or the office, from their [undercover] ones."

To test the service, the FBI paid Locatecell.com $160 to buy the records for an agent's cell phone and received the list within three hours, the police bulletin said.

Representatives of Data Find Solutions Inc., the Tennessee-based operator of Locatecell.com, could not be reached for comment.

Frank Bochte, a spokesman for the FBI in Chicago, said he was aware of the Web site.

"Not only in Chicago, but nationwide, the FBI notified its field offices of this potential threat to the security of our agents, and especially our undercover agents," Bochte said. "We need to educate our personnel about the dangers posed by individuals using this site and others like it. We are stressing that they should be careful in their cellular use."

How well do the services work? The Chicago Sun-Times paid $110 to Locatecell.com to purchase a one-month record of calls for this reporter's company cell phone. It was as simple as e-mailing the telephone number to the service along with a credit card number. The request was made Friday after the service was closed for the New Year's holiday.

On Tuesday, when it reopened, Locatecell.com e-mailed a list of 78 telephone numbers this reporter called on his cell phone between Nov. 19 and Dec. 17. The list included calls to law enforcement sources, story subjects and other Sun-Times reporters and editors.

Ernie Rizzo, a Chicago private investigator, said he uses a similar cell phone record service to conduct research for his clients. On Friday, for instance, Rizzo said he ordered the cell phone records of a suburban police chief whose wife suspects he is cheating on her.

"I would say the most powerful investigative tool right now is cell records," Rizzo said. "I use it a couple times a week. A few hundred bucks a week is well worth the money."

In July, the Electronic Privacy Information Center filed a petition with the Federal Communications Commission seeking an end to the sale of telephone records.

"We're very concerned about Locatecell," said Chris Jay Hoofnagle, senior counsel for the center. "This is the company that sold the phone records of a Canadian official to a reporter 'no questions asked.' "

Schumer has called for legislation to criminalize the "stealing and selling" of cell phone logs. He also urged the Federal Trade Commission to set up a unit to stop it.

He said a common method for obtaining cell phone records is "pretexting," involving a data broker pretending to be a phone's owner and duping the phone company into providing the information.

"Pretexting for financial data is illegal, but it does not include phone records," Schumer said. "We already have protections for our financial information. We ought to have it for the very personal information that can be gleaned from telephone records."
 
what happened to privacy? I thought cell phones companies couldn't disclose such info...
 
NMshooter said:
Sounds like prepaid disposable cell phones would be a good thing.
It won't be long before the .gov outlaws these as well...for the WoT you know?

Greg
 
Some enterprising individual was working on something like that, but I have no idea how the business panned out.

Circuit boards printed on recycled paper, conductive ink for the traces, stuff like that, really disposable.

Considering how easy it can be to clone phones, the folks most impacted by regulation are also the most law abiding.

Besides, you have to wonder how many needles in the haystack get missed, even with extensive resources searching for them...
 
Preacherman,
This sounds like "CPNI" or customer proprietary network information (i.e. who you call, when you call, and for how long). The FCC under Michael Powell allowed carriers to use CPNI but the use was supposed to be limited and controlled. You can see how well that's working...

A few years back I was part of a team in the WA AG's office fighting Qwest and Verizon's use of CPNI. We lost in federal district court where the judge held that carrier's use of CPNI was protected "commercial speech" and they had a right to use it.
:fire:
 
Umm,
I do not have a personal cell phone, tho one sometimes is stuck in my hand, gets tossed into glove box.

Been thinking about a TracFone...

Taking CIS/IT, encryption slows down nosy folks meddlin', need to check into how secure VoIP is gonna be...

Mail gets opened "they say" in the name of War on "[]" , depends on what week it is I guess...

Perhaps I need to start up a Carrier Pigeon Service. I'll scare the meddler's with threat of some kind of flu...can I get by with that I wonder? :evil:

I grew up apprenticing under Orthodox Jews. They shared a lot. There are ways things have always been done. There are always those that enact laws to make everyone guilty of something in the name of something. Some lessons are not forgotten.

"Assume nothing, trust noone. Trust your gut always. Never learn anything using a crutch . Always learn the most basics of anything. WE can always be farmers again".

I was honored and am still grateful for these folks and others like them. In that other life we did not have cell phones, Fed Ex, UPS, 911...business and communications of a serious legit nature took place, still does.

I remember , I still can do these things.

History is such a good teacher. You hear me Big Brother? History is a great teacher. :)
 
Well, its funny...as a police officer, I can assure you it takes us (I work for state govt) a huge amount of effort to get phone records of any kind. We get sueponas and what not, and still its a pain in the butt, including very expensive (sometimes up to $30 / 8.5x11 paper) to get records.

So, how odd is it that you can buy records on the internet, yet, for the administration of criminal justice, its a pain in the butt. This isn't right at all...

Great post Preacherman.
 
Last Spring I had to get customer information on a cell phone number that was on a caller ID in regards to a missing juvenile case.

I had to call an 800 number and the operator faxed me a statement I had to sign verifying that it was an emergency. Then I had to forward them the court order for the records within 72 hours. This wasn't for anymore info then who the cell number belonged to.....I'm real happy to see that anyone with a little bit of cash could buy my cell records....

Jeff
 
I see this kind of stuff and it makes me concerned. Makes me want to take the kids shooting more often for when they are eating squirrels for dinner every night.

In the short term though, I take great comfort in the fact that I am completely unimportant.
 
I saw a car wreck about 2 weeks ago. I used my cell phone, to call 911 and the operator told ME where I was at. I am not a LEO and don't have a clue how that showed up.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Kevin
 
Location based services. All new cell phones come with it now, but you can usually turn it off for everything BUT 911 calls, I think.

If you don't, someone can always know where you are, and your cell could helpfully point out where you can spend your money, too! The future is now, and ain't it grand?

gfen.
 
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