Health Care Organizations Lobbying To Oppose WI Bill - Doctors Asking About Guns

[dc dalton]

Health care organizations are urging Wisconsin lawmakers to reject proposed legislation that would bar doctors from asking patients if they own guns.

The measure, unveiled last week by Rep. Michael Schraa, R-Oshkosh, "is detrimental to medical providers' ability to educate patients and in so doing prevent injury and death," the organizations said in a memo Monday to legislators.

Time to back up your legislators and tell the medical corporations to get out of our lives! We don't have a bill number yet but as soon as we do we will let you know.

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[TRX]

Educate? MDs are now firearms experts too?

 

[Sav .250]

Urging is the operative word here.

 

[Old Fuff]

"is detrimental to medical providers' ability to educate patients and in so doing prevent injury and death,"

I also would wonder (and ask) why medical providers have any special insights or training that provides them with the "ability to educate patients" about firearms.

If "prevent(ing) injury and death" is what they are advocating a quick look at CDC numbers will show that as a cause, firearms are way down the list.

Somehow I suspect this is part of a leftist political agenda, and should be exposed as such.

 

[Rob G]

I work in a hospital and consequently talk to a lot of doctors. As far as I can tell the only thing medical school taught them about firearms is how to deal with gunshot wounds. Otherwise I'd consider them to be about as knowledgeable on the subject as the average citizen.

 

[Willie Sutton]

This is a bill that will not make it out of committee, to balance the other bill that will not make it out of committee (the proposed ban on anything other than FMJ bullets). It's the Republicans "pie in the sky" bill (banning MD's from discussing firearms at all) to counterpoint the Dems "pie in the sky" bill (banning soft point and hollow point bullets).

As is it TODAY there is no law prohibiting a MD asking you about firearms, nor does there seem to be a problem. While not supporting MD's discussing firearms "as a rule", having a law prohibiting it seems a bit of a stretch. It may very well be proper and responsible for a MD dealing with a frankly suicidal individual to ask him questions regarding possible means available. Criminalizing that is an over-reach. With that said, it's got about zero chance of seeing a vote.


Willie in Milwaukee


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[Shadow 7D]

I would have worded it different, I would have made them EXPRESSLY liable for professional advice...

you wanna venture into firearms, and give advice, wonder how your MP insurance carrier feels about that, then I'd team with the state firearms org/NRA chapter to provide CE classes in firearms safety with the MP insurance carriers...

Wonder how the medical assoc. would feel about getting letters from their insurance company "OK, you got your way, this is your class date, pass at a 80% proficiency or higher, or your coverage will be terminated...

 

[DSling]

They can ask all they want. Do you have to tell them?

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[mdauben]

They can ask all they want. Do you have to tell them?

This. It has nothing to do with my medical condition so my answer will just be "no, I do not own any guns".

 

[Tcruse]

There is pressure from HHS to force providers to ask, advise against allowing guns in homes with minors, and to report to gun owners to HHS/IRS.
The facts as know them:
1) All certified medical records software must demonstrate a real time data feed to federal receiver (CDC or other) that includes person name, reason of visit, any problems covered in the visit.
2) CDC is funded by the government and will always echo back the current political agenda, so studies and reports from the CDC are no un-biased.
3) IRS will receive information from your physician interactions and based on current news, may not be 100% reliable in protecting your rights.
4) There will be continued pressure for "mental state" to be a factor to prevent gun ownership. Mental State is very subjective and some providers that are left leaning seem to take the attitude that you have a mental problem if you seek gun ownership.