Physicians and firearms.

[migoi]

Hawaii...

does all this one better. Everytime you purchase a handgun and once a year when you renew your long gun permit you fill out a form giving the police department the name, address, and phone number of your physician. In the two weeks between the time you put in the paperwork and when you pick up the permit to go get your firearm they contact your doctor and ask him/her if they know of any reason you shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm (even if you already have 30 in your safe at home).

A local police records check and a state mental health agency check are also done. Currently if you are denied the permit you will be told the source of the denial so you can straighten in out if it is an error. There is a bill before the current legislature which would make is so the person denied the permit would not be told the source of the denial. The Hawaii Rifle Association is attempting to get this killed in committee.

Luckily for me my physician wear combat boots (my spouse is retired military and we receive our medical care through Tripler Army Medical Center). So far never any problems.

migoi

 

[Zundfolge]

migoi, what if you don't have a physician?

 

[ArmedBear]

Now, Hawaii is an interesting place.

Among surfers like me, it's known for good waves, sharp coral, and dangerous people -- and some really nice people, too.

Interracial violence, family loyalties bordering on Hatfield/McCoy stuff, savage thuggery, drug abuse and the underworld that goes with it, are all part and parcel of the Hawaii that exists behind the facade of the tourist industry.

Don't get me wrong, it's beautiful, too.

But if we want to keep our freedom, it helps not to abuse it too much. That goes for all our freedoms.

I'm vehemently pro-gun but Hawaii is really the kind of place that is ASKING for gun control, sadly. A viable social contract is vital to liberty.

 

[Kim]

I'm a physician and I can tell you beyond any doubt that the Am. Pediatric Association is anti-gun meaning they are for banning ALL of THEM. They have rewritten their main text books. It has the Kellerman Study. It says all firearms should be banned and if not ALL should be removed from the home. Do NOT BE A FOOL.

 

[migoi]

If you don't

have a doctor, that's okay, you just don't fill out the form. However if you have a doctor and lie it's a crime (class c felony, I think, according to the sign at the firearms window).

Unfortunately, ArmedBear, it's that type of attitude (more prevelant on this island than I can stand to think about) that continues to let the powers in charge treat citizens like subjects. Quite frankly...it's a big pile of bunk.

All those classes of folks you named aren't law abiding citizens abusing their rights, they are a bunch of thugs, druggies, and bullies being thugs, druggies, and bullies. Eliminating the suffocating control will not change this nor will it turn law abiding citizens into thugs, druggies, and bullies.

If one reads our news daily, with very few exceptions any story mentioning the illegal use of a firearm will also include the words "convicted felon" in the story when describing the person making illegal use of the firearm.

migoi

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I am a physican too, and the American Academy of Pediatrics is for sure against private firearms ownership. Don't be fooled, they have a political agenda!

The American Medical Association defined firearms as a public health crisis a few years ago, and there newly elected president wrote a long dissertation on the "crisis" a few years ago. It was an obviously political tirade against private firearms ownership.

I resigned my AMA membership over it, and will simply not be part of a group that pushes that kind of political agenda. The AMA needs to stick to promoting legitimate health care issues.

I wish physicians didnt ask gun related questions. Some physicians are so naive as to believe those questions are legitimate since organized medicine has made this an issue, and don't even realize they have been bamboozled by left wing politics.

Instead of making those questions illegal, I wish patients would just walk out of the office and find a doctor that doesn't ask those questions. Hit the physicians where it counts (in the pocketbook) and they will quit asking this crap!

 

[Sir Aardvark]

The push about guns by the AMA is not about safety-

it is about politics.

The AMA is anti-gun!

 

[YK]

Lone Gunman,

+1 here.

Questioning about firearms, from ethical standpoint, is an intrusion, and, from medical standpoint, is an intervention of unproven efficacy, which is a waste of your time and money, antd this makes it unethical all over again.

Tonkin,

If your medical record is used for anything other than medical care, billing, and, in some instances, research, and especially, if your info gets known by the insurer or employer, you can put your doctor/practice into a deep ...., just mention HIPAA violation.

 

[shooter 7]

I think it's ironic that statistics show the US has more deaths attributed to health care mistakes by drs. & health care providers than "accidental" firearm related deaths. Not everyone has firearms, most have physicians.

 

[Meplat]

I'm sure the NRA is qualified to determine what is an "unnecessary" and "intrusive" question when it comes to medical matters. Hope they change their position (maybe, say, because a bunch of THR members e-mail them) on this soon so that people will take them more seriously when it matters.

Yeah, right. Us unedumacated idjits with no medical degree can't differentiate between actual useful questions and unnecessary prying.

Had to take my son in to the doc's the other day. Was given paperwork to fill out. Had a section for my (guarantor) information, and my son's (patient) information. Was happily filling in my info (insurance carrier, phone numbers, etc.) when I came to the highly relevant, necessary, and non-intrusive question: RACE.

Even dumb ol' me knows that as far a patients go, there are racially inhereted genetic diseases, but as GUARANTOR?????

Put down "MotoCrosser - Former" and let them scratch their heads over that one.

Nah, I'd never be able to determine an "unnecessary" or "intrusive" question without a medcial degree.

 

[Meplat]

S'cuse me? I pick the pediatrician, I pay the insurance company, I pay the copay. I treat every physician I select and use as if they are the hired professional working for me to resolve a problem they are. They are no different than engineers or archetects that I hire to do a job.

+1

Do the same thing here, and have caught more than my share of flack for refusing to allow some doctor who I know to be a total wipe out (SOMEONE has to graduate at the bottom of their class) work on me. Last one wanted to perform a surgery on me after I had been brought to that hospital because it was the closest one available. (Non-emergency - I was stable - although no one was certain of that at the time I came through the ER doors). I wasn't completely comfortable with that hospital, and I certainly wasn't comfortable with his talents as a cardiologist, as he had insisted over and over again that I simply MUST be on a medication that my regular cardiologist and I had tried for several months to get me adjusted to. After nine months of dizzy spells, falling out, and vomiting every day, both of us knew it was a no go. This one, though, insisted I simply must take it, and told me that since they had a cardio unit now (new unit-small town hospital with mucho dinero to recover) he couldn't transfer me to my hospital of choice. Told him he could either A: Tranfer me via ambulance, B: Sign me out and let my wife drive me, or C: Watch me walk out AMA. Guess he realized that if I walked out AMA, my insurance wasn't going to pay him a dime, so he decided on B:...wife drove me the fifty minutes to a hospital with a REAL cardiac care unit. Later that afternoon, the nurse on duty told me she couldn't understand HOW I'd gotten them to do the transfer, and I told her that I basically didn't ask. She then proceeded to tell me how she wished more patients from that facility were more insistent, as they handled the cases they screwed up FAR too often. Same thing I'd heard from the nurses in the hospital I made them transfer me from. I listen to the nurses and my own instincts before I decide on who gets to treat me unless it is an emergency situation and I am unable to make that decision.

Like you said, the same way one would hire an architect, an engineer or even a car mechanic.

Oh, BTW...upon reaching the destination of the hospital of my choice, tests revealed that surgery was not necessary, and that a medicational change would correct the problems.

 

[strambo]

but Hawaii is really the kind of place that is ASKING for gun control, sadly.

Really? Sounds like they have quite a bit of it already and it hasn't helped. No CCW permits and onerous questions, applications registrations. How much of that violence you mentioned even involves guns? Furthermore, how much of the gun violence involves legally bought guns? (the only kind gun control laws effect). And finally, how much violence could be prevented if citizens had more access to firearms and could carry concealed? I know of no state that has had a violent crime increase after passing concealed carry legislation.

I keep waiting for a doctor to ask me about guns so we can discuss the 100,000+ deaths per year due to medical malpractice vs a much lower # for firearms and what I should be most concerned about. No luck on getting to have that conversation yet.

 

[pete f]

My daughter has had a awful lot of physical issues over the last few years and knows her docs by their first name. Last time she was in, there was a new one we had not met who started down the list of questions, ( my daughter is 17) About the third question was about sex, and it was a question I surely hoped i know the answer to, but there was no way I felt that is should have been asked in front of me. My daughters answer was "I am not married yet!" the new Doc stuttered then asked the Question again and My daughter repeated herself....and the Doc was getting upset. The next question was "Do you have any guns in the house?"....My daughter looked at me and then at the Doc, "of course, How can i hunt without a gun," Doc asked how many, Daughter smiled and said "not enough!" "Do you keep them locked up and unloaded and the ammuntion in a different place?" Daughter giggles, "no, that would be stupid, burglars and rapists never give you time to load up" Doc has no answer,,,,But but but ....Daughter then asks "Can i have another Doc. I want Doctor Tom!" "Why?" asks Doctor Loser. "Because I came in here to find out if my hip is necrotic and you are asking me stupid questions instead. I want to know if I have to have a new hip or is mine going to work." Doctor Loser started to say something about the importance of healthy living and My daughter got up and walked out of the room. She found Doctor Tom's nurse and asked to see him, she said he was busy but would be into see her in a minute. Back in the exam room she turns to Doc Loser and says "I have spent the last 16 months with a hip that may or may not be dying, most of it on crutches, walking hurts, I have had to give up hockey and pheasant hunting, Do you think I could even possibly consider having sex? I am on no contact, no impact orders, Oh yeah, that makes me a prime candidate for premarital sex, and if i was getting some, I sure would tell you all about it in front of my dad. and as far as the gun issue, get real...." I have never been prouder of her. Her Doc walks in and hears the last bit and just says thank you Doc loser I will take Lindsey today. He smiles and rolls his eyes, and says good news, there is bone growth around the graft sight and the socket shows no loss of density, so you get to keep your hip for at least a couple more years. Good news on both fronts

 

[migoi]

Pete...

good on your daughter....on several fronts...the hip thing...the don't take crap from the people you hire to perform a service thing...the girl shooter thing.

migoi