Heirloom Mystery

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My father handed down to me yesterday a rifle that his father gave to him.
I got to inspecting it and i could not find a manufacturer. It has the serial number and all that stuff but no brand. I did find a small heart stamped on the barrel close to the stock but nothing else.
If anyone knows any tips that can help identify this rifle I would be greatly appreciative.
 
Let's narrow this down a little bit...

Is it a bolt action?

Is it a pump action?

Is it a semi-auto action?

Is it a lever action?

Is it a break open single shot?

Is it a breach block lower action?

:what::what::what:
 
It is a bolt action, and I will be able to give pictures i a couple of hours when i get home.
I dont know if it helps but it is a 30-06 and it has an open sight on it.
 
"It is a bolt action, and I will be able to give pictures i a couple of hours when i get home.
I dont know if it helps but it is a 30-06 and it has an open sight on it."

Well that narrows it down.. :rolleyes:
 
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That's a M1903 Springfield that has been "sporterized" by
National Ordnance. Probably 30-06 in caliber.
Springfield actions are excellent in quality.

Nice rifle !

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Where can I find more info on this.
And not that i would ever, ever sell this rifle but how much is something like this worth?
 
Nope, it's not a Springfield that has been sporterized by National Ordnance. It's an investment casted receiver Springfield made by National Ordnance. I think they also used surplus parts like the bolt, magazine floorplate, trigger, etc.
 
"Nope, it's not a Springfield that has been sporterized by National Ordnance. It's an investment casted receiver Springfield made by National Ordnance. I think they also used surplus parts like the bolt, magazine floorplate, trigger, etc."

Im no gun guru, so if you could please explain a little further I would appreciate it
 
Sporterizing: Taking a military rifle and putting it in a hunting stock, tapping the receiver for a scope mount, maybe changing the barrel/caliber and maybe shortening the barrel. Some people frown on this as they think you should leave a military rifle alone. But obviously you are well past that point and if it is a Nat'l Ord Cast receiver it does not matter anyway. Enjoy the rifle whatever it is.

I found this quickly via Google on National Ordinance (google is our friend):

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"In the book The Springfield 1903 rifles by Lt. Col. William S. Brophy, USAR, Ret., he discusses the National Ordnance 03A3 rifles. I'll try to summarize.
A company named Golden State Arms built 1903 rifles using investment cast receivers made in Yugoslavia and surplus 1903 parts. Workmanship was poor, with very poor fit and finish. After relatively few of these were sold, National Ordnance of El Monte, CA produced them under their own name, using a better investment cast receiver (better than the Golden State version, but still a poor substitute for a real '03), again with surplus parts . In the author's opinion, a collector is wasting his money if he invests in one of these ersatz rifles for any reason other than curiosity. The good news is, in1963, H.P. White Laboratory tested 3 of the N.O. receivers and found no weaknesses or flaws during the abusive and destructive testing. If yours headspaces correctly, it should be safe to shoot. Accuracy will depend largely on the condition of the barrel.
Seems to me the price was a bit high, though somewhat cheaper than decent originals. That said, I can't find a reference to N.O. rifles in any of my price guides, so your rifle may well be correctly valued."
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You may want to take it to a gunsmith you trust and have him check the headspace, barrel and the bore and give it a good once over.
 
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By sporterized, he meant to suggest that a Springfield 1903 rifle was modified by having the military stock replaced with a Bishop sporter stock and a lot of other unfortunate modifications made.

But if it's a Natl. Ord. receiver, as I believe is correct, it's not a sporterized Springfield, but instead a commercial gun with some 1903 parts (like the striker knob).

Value isn't much. Maybe $100 or so.
 
Agreed; if you do not know the cal, take it to a gunsmith, and have him check it for you. If it is a cast piece, then it is not really worth anything, you could maybe get 300 dollars max for it, simply because it has a nice stock. If it is a real springfield o3 action, you could maybe get a bit more, but even then, I would say 400 for a max.
 
That's an 03 Springfield all right.

Now some of those rifles were sportorized by some very talented gunsmiths, and yours looks pretty good to me. How's the trigger pull?

TR took one to Africa (his was an 3003). Hemingway shot one in Africa too.

The stock looks a little like one of the mass produced Fagen models, but I could be wrong.

It's a very nice rifle....you need to check the serial number to see if it's not an early 03 as the earliest were not very well heat treated. I can't recall the S# range however.

It's an heirloom, right? Keep it as one and hand it down.

I just looked at it again. Looks like an 03A3 to me and it looks like it's got the original trigger guard. I'd bet it is a Fagen stock. I think it's a run of the mill sporter job, and nothing really special. It's still a nice gun however. Peek down the bore and see if it's got two groove rifling.

If it was my rifle I'd put a new trigger on it, if it's still got the original; and shoot the dickens out of it.
 
It will definetly be kept in the family.
Where can i find info to compare the serial number at?
 
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