Hell on Wheels

[Wolfman0125]

Historically accurate movies are called Documentaries and they’re generally boring. History is boring to watch. The news guys/gals figured that out back in the early days of television. That’s why since about 1960 tv news has been more fictional than factual.

Who says movies can’t be historically accurate? Obviously you have never watched Monty Python’s History of The World. I watched it and felt just like I was there in ancient times. Such realism and attention to historical accuracy based on evidence and hard fact is a rarity. Mel Brooks’ performance is astounding! Only bested by Blazing Saddles.

 

[Dibbs]

Hollywood believes in Common Core math. So, therefore, a BHP revolver carries three hands (?) of ammunition. So, that's
5, and carry the 5, and there's a three, in there somewhere, oh, about 42 rounds of ammo, per load. Simply counting to six isn't PC.

 

[Wolfman0125]

I tend to believe the science that the ricochet of the bullet kills 3 men for every shot fired. And that echos are responsible for the report that is heard giving the illusion of more than 6 shots being fired without reloading. So basically 18 people can effectively be dispatched by 6 rounds. And return fire is the reason for the rounds returning to the chamber so that they can be reused time and time again.

 

[doubleh]

Hollywood!

You are supposed to watch it for entertainment not historical accuracy or education!

Kevin

I agree 100% and have stated so before. I also agree with post #25. I once saw a comment about the Longmier show when it was fairly new about it not representing real life in that state. Duh, who would watch a show about a sheriff and his deputies going out once in a while to drive a cow or two back into a pasture. In fact who would watch a show that represents real life unless it was based in, well, maybe Chicago.

 

[Old_Grouch]

Where did he store his extra cylinder?

The mind boggles at the possibilities.
Don't ask questions that you don't REALLY want the answer to.

 

[Rubone]

I agree 100% and have stated so before. I also agree with post #25. I once saw a comment about the Longmier show when it was fairly new about it not representing real life in that state. Duh, who would watch a show about a sheriff and his deputies going out once in a while to drive a cow or two back into a pasture. In fact who would watch a show that represents real life unless it was based in, well, maybe Chicago.

The only truly dumb thing about Longmire is that it supposedly depicts a town in Wyoming but is entirely filmed in New Mexico, close enough to me that every location is easily identifiable!

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

The only truly dumb thing about Longmire is that it supposedly depicts a town in Wyoming but is entirely filmed in New Mexico, close enough to me that every location is easily identifiable!

New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana… whatever. It’s all flyover country according to the New York and California media moguls. I have met yankees who had no idea Orlando and Miami were so far apart. I have also met out of staters who had no idea just how big Florida is. They thought it was like a cross town bus ride from Tampa to the Cape Canaveral rocket base. It’s all a matter of perspective and (sadly) TV compresses perception. A gun is a gun and all the old west was greasy hippies and perfumed gamblers.

 

[Jack Ryan]

View attachment 1030600 View attachment 1030601 Curious, I would like to know where Cullen Bohannon kept his bullets, powder, wads, and lube and cartridges for his Griswold and Gunnison revolver. I only see a holster and knife on his belt and no possible bag in most scenes. Where did he store his extra cylinder?

By the time you fire 6 times there should be 6 loaded guns laying on the ground. Just pick 'em up.

 

[doubleh]

The only truly dumb thing about Longmire is that it supposedly depicts a town in Wyoming but is entirely filmed in New Mexico, close enough to me that every location is easily identifiable!

You think that is bad?. What I can't ignore are films that are about Texas and there isn't topography anywhere in the state that resembles that in the movie. Texas doesn't have mountains like that. Something that always made me laugh was in "Walker, Texas Ranger" where they would run over to San Antone for lunch and they were based in Dallas. Another was in "Dallas" when Bobby went to Dawson County to buy oil leases and they pronounced Lamesa with the Spanish pronunciation when the "a" is barely sounded and the "e" is a long "e", one word, no short "a" at all. My wife told me her older sister that grew up in central New Mexico once asked her if I didn't know it was pronounced la-may-sa. My wife explained since I grew up in Dawson County and attended school at Lamesa I knew how Texans pronounced the word. Scenery, distances, and even correct pronunciation isn't important in movies and TV just like correct firearms aren't.

 

[Wolfman0125]

You think that is bad?. What I can't ignore are films that are about Texas and there isn't topography anywhere in the state that resembles that in the movie. Texas doesn't have mountains like that. Something that always made me laugh was in "Walker, Texas Ranger" where they would run over to San Antone for lunch and they were based in Dallas. Another was in "Dallas" when Bobby went to Dawson County to buy oil leases and they pronounced Lamesa with the Spanish pronunciation when the "a" is barely sounded and the "e" is a long "e", one word, no short "a" at all. My wife told me her older sister that grew up in central New Mexico once asked her if I didn't know it was pronounced la-may-sa. My wife explained since I grew up in Dawson County and attended school at Lamesa I knew how Texans pronounced the word. Scenery, distances, and even correct pronunciation isn't important in movies and TV just like correct firearms aren't.

I’m a Native Texan myself so I can definitely relate. I hear people say Bray-sos River, Whales Texas, or Gwada Loop, or Amarilla, and I cringe.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I’m a Native Texan myself so I can definitely relate. I hear people say Bray-sos River, Whales Texas, or Gwada Loop, or Amarilla, and I cringe.

Wow! Y'all got hard names to say over yonder in the Big Gulf! Here in Flo we got easy names like Loxahatchee, Ocoee, Tacachale and Immokolee. Every one of which I'm pretty sure translates from Seminole to English as some variation of, "Hey! Stop that! We have to drink that water!"

 

[doubleh]

I’m a Native Texan myself so I can definitely relate. I hear people say Bray-sos River, Whales Texas, or Gwada Loop, or Amarilla, and I cringe.

I remember hearing a news caster pronouncing Bexar County as "bex- are" one time. People pronouncing Lubbock as Lub-ick really get on my nerves as my # 2 grandson found out. The kid grew up within 100 miles of Lubbock so he knows better. Getting into NM, Ruidoso is pronounced Re-uh-dough-suh by we uneducated people that live down here. There was a commercial promoting Rudioso Downs done by some slick ad agency that pronounced the name using the Spanish version and then had the mayor add his come on in which he said "Come on to Re-uh-dough-suh" Downs. I had to laugh every time I heard it.

 

[Wolfman0125]

I am a Native Texan but I live in Georgia and also lived in Florida so again, I can relate. I’m near Tallahassee. One of the easier words to say here. But some of the street names, don’t get me started.

 

[Jim Watson]

My Dad maintained that San Antonio was to be pronounced Sanatone.
He also told the tale of how the town of Centre, Alabama was so named to differentiate it from a town named Center. Many of the locals came to pronounce it Sontray.

I hung out at a gun store on Houston St. in Atlanta, pronounced there as Howston.

TV newsmen and advertisers frequently pronounce Cullman, Alabama as Coleman.

 

[Wolfman0125]

Ok guys, we can go on forever about mispronunciation of city names in another thread. But I’d like to go back to talking about Cullin Bohainin from Hellen Whales (Cullen Bohannon from Hell on Wheels) and where he kept his ammo. Personally, I think that between takes they lose count of the shots fired and also cut reloading scenes thinking that the video would be a waste of air time and boring to watch. But give the guy a possibles bag will ya?

 

[Jim Watson]

cut reloading scenes thinking that the video would be a waste of air time and boring to watch.

Robert Duval said that was the case in Open Range, that he did reload his revolver but that bit fell to the cutting room floor, leaving him on screen with an apparent High Capacity Revolver.

 

[MacAR]

Here's a thread I started a couple months ago: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...colt-winchester-and-the-post-war-west.893291/

Very similar to this one.

Mac

 

[Wolfman0125]

Here's a thread I started a couple months ago: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...colt-winchester-and-the-post-war-west.893291/

Very similar to this one.

Mac

You and I think alike. I made the same observations. I like your thread better as it seriously addresses the topic. My thread we all started joking about it, but my question was a serious one. I loved the series Hell on Wheels and bought it, along with Cullen Bohannon’s outfits. His .36 Griswold is actually a brass framed 1860 Army .44 so I have no clue why their Armorer would call it something it most definitely isn’t or use a gun that did not historically exist.

 

[Terry G]

My Wife likes the old Walker, Texas Ranger but even she notices all the mistakes they made in the show. A van with back doors torn open by bullets and in the next scene the doors are perfect. Walker blowing up cars with one shot from his trusty .44 Magnum. He later did the same with a 9MM. Him fighting a Grizzly and getting bloody scratches (he won of course) and the next scene no scratches, no blood. The gun errors are too numerous to relate. I told her watch the show and forget about it. Pretty funny, though.

 

[Bill Raby]

Several guys shooting at each other in a saloon with black powder revolvers and when it is all over you can still see across the room.

 

[MacAR]

You and I think alike. I made the same observations. I like your thread better as it seriously addresses the topic. My thread we all started joking about it, but my question was a serious one. I loved the series Hell on Wheels and bought it, along with Cullen Bohannon’s outfits. His .36 Griswold is actually a brass framed 1860 Army .44 so I have no clue why their Armorer would call it something it most definitely isn’t or use a gun that did not historically exist.

Thanks! I got the idea after watching the series again and, like you, wondering what the heck they did for reloading. It was a pretty good discussion, honestly. Which reminds, I need to get the 51 and the 66 out for a little range time.

Mac