jonmerritt
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Rights are granted by the government anyway. Anymore that is.
Heller and Lautenberg Act - Repeal
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Sam Adams
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They can try that, but I simply don't see that really passing into law, for a couple of reasons: First, being a felon gets you stripped of the right to vote, as well as the ability to get a federal job or security clearance (AFAIK). Forget gun ownership altogether - can you see thousands or tens of thousands in each state losing those rights for, say, spitting on the sidewalk or littering?
Now on to gun rights - The first person who loses his or her RKBA for the "felony" of spitting on the sidewalk or some such nonsense will promptly sue that state and the feds on Equal Protection grounds. That, and/or a violation of the 8th Amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). Plus, of course, the 2nd itself (assuming that we win on the issue of the 2nd being incorporated by the 14th).
justice4all
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DV cases are already very difficult to successfully prosecute before juries, because people know that the punishmnets often do not fit the crime--loss of gun rights, 36 weeks of one-size-fits-all counseling, etc. Making all DVs felonies would make it practically impossible to convict anyone other the the most serious actual wife "beaters."
Where we could make progress is at the state level, with working to get rid of mandatory arrest policies for DV. These cost the taxpayers lots of money, for very little return. Why take a guy to jail, with all the costs that entails, because he broke a picture frame, when you could just as easily give him a summons?
Where we could make progress is at the state level, with working to get rid of mandatory arrest policies for DV. These cost the taxpayers lots of money, for very little return. Why take a guy to jail, with all the costs that entails, because he broke a picture frame, when you could just as easily give him a summons?
Rogue6
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Lautenberg and NG mobilizations
I'm trying to get a National Guard unit ready to go overseas, and it's unbelievable how many of these "Lautenberg" issues start popping up when you go through an SRP (Soldier Readiness Processing). I have to wonder why the states don't challenge it. We spend a lot of time and money training these soldiers and it's a shame to make them nondeployable because of this.
I'm trying to get a National Guard unit ready to go overseas, and it's unbelievable how many of these "Lautenberg" issues start popping up when you go through an SRP (Soldier Readiness Processing). I have to wonder why the states don't challenge it. We spend a lot of time and money training these soldiers and it's a shame to make them nondeployable because of this.
If murderers can "repay their debt" to society....
And..what about the guys who are in this position because of a Disturbing the peace or other crappy conviction?? This is insane and the politicians couldn't care less.
I've written my congressman about my case...we'll see what he has to say about it.
And..what about the guys who are in this position because of a Disturbing the peace or other crappy conviction?? This is insane and the politicians couldn't care less.
I've written my congressman about my case...we'll see what he has to say about it.
Just a quick anecdote:
A friend of mine from work was having some trouble with his wife and they seperated. He went back to the house to get some tax papers etc. and they got into an argument. She smacked him a few times and followed him outside. At one point he had grabbed her arm and they had both fallen down while in the house. She started trashing his car. She was hitting it with something, I'm not sure what, and he called the cops. They came by and told him that there wasn't anything they could do since the car was community property but didn't arrest anyone or anything. Later he had to call the cops again because she wouldn't let him leave. Finally he left after the cops came the second time.
Later that night they came and arrested him for domestic violence and he spent the night in jail. Went through the whole thing of a restraining order etc. and everyone treated him like the lowest form of scum. All through it he maintained that he hadn't touched her and pointed out the two police reports and that he had called the police not her.
Finally at the trial he saw his wife and someone had beaten the crap out of her. Luckily he had the statements and called the police officers as witnesses that there had been no visible signs of abuse when they were there. He had witnesses as to when he left and pretty well had his tracks covered for that night. When she started to tell her story it made no sense and didn't jibe with the police statements so the charges were eventually dropped. It was a near thing for him.
Later he found out through various friends that his wife had someone beat her up as crazy as that sounds.
If he hadn't called the police and had witnesses he might still be in jail.
Anyway the goal of Lautenberg might seem good but it is essentially finding you guilty without due process simply because of a possibly unfounded accusation and should be repealed or amended
A friend of mine from work was having some trouble with his wife and they seperated. He went back to the house to get some tax papers etc. and they got into an argument. She smacked him a few times and followed him outside. At one point he had grabbed her arm and they had both fallen down while in the house. She started trashing his car. She was hitting it with something, I'm not sure what, and he called the cops. They came by and told him that there wasn't anything they could do since the car was community property but didn't arrest anyone or anything. Later he had to call the cops again because she wouldn't let him leave. Finally he left after the cops came the second time.
Later that night they came and arrested him for domestic violence and he spent the night in jail. Went through the whole thing of a restraining order etc. and everyone treated him like the lowest form of scum. All through it he maintained that he hadn't touched her and pointed out the two police reports and that he had called the police not her.
Finally at the trial he saw his wife and someone had beaten the crap out of her. Luckily he had the statements and called the police officers as witnesses that there had been no visible signs of abuse when they were there. He had witnesses as to when he left and pretty well had his tracks covered for that night. When she started to tell her story it made no sense and didn't jibe with the police statements so the charges were eventually dropped. It was a near thing for him.
Later he found out through various friends that his wife had someone beat her up as crazy as that sounds.
If he hadn't called the police and had witnesses he might still be in jail.
Anyway the goal of Lautenberg might seem good but it is essentially finding you guilty without due process simply because of a possibly unfounded accusation and should be repealed or amended
legaleagle_45
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I think if I was making the argument, I would assert the common law doctorine of "civil death" which applied to felony convictions. Remnants of that doctorine allow government to prohibit a convicted felon from voting.
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