Hello, new here asking for revolver recomendations around $150 (Nagant?)

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Hi everybody, I'm Marble. I live in the Carolina's and I'm looking for some help picking out a revolver. To make a really long story short, I'm out of work. Because of that we're relying on my wife's income, which means that she and I had to move to a 'questionable' side of town.

I'm going to take the CCW class and I was wondering if a Nagant 7.62 would be adequate to complete to course? There's one sitting in a pawn shop near me for 140 (on the sticker, that probably means 125 cash). I did some reading and I know the rounds are 2 for $1.00 and the double action is hard to pull. I've read that they shoot the 32 long (s&w?), but there's not much difference in price or availability of the cartridges. . . . . what are the other downsides in your opinion?

I know the firearm to save for is the Ruger sp100 .357 magnum, but, unless they open the plant back up. . . . . I'm not going to have that kind of cash for a while. Would the Nagant be useful as a shooter or is it more about the historical value and being "neat"?

You guys have already helped me more than you know. (I've been reading here for a month or two now, just lurking.) Seeing the Nagant revolver in the pawn shop today prompted me to ask you guys your opinion on buying it. Or what other type of revolvers are available in this price range? (single action is ok, might have to shoot the nagant single action from what I hear)

Thanks for any help or input of guys have for me. :)
 
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I have no experience with the Nagant but read that double action triggers start at 20lb pull and only get worse. If you could find an Armscor mdl 200 or 206 that might serve you better, they look to be more expensive ($190 or so) but fire .38 Special so you would save quite a bit on ammo over time. Plus, should you decide to carry, the Armscor will have a better selection of holsters as it's a copy of a Smith & Wesson.
 
Yes, the Nagant could be used for the mission you set down. Problem is there are better guns for that mission.

The Nagant ammo is easy to get at several online places if you don't have ammo already.

There's an article written just recently about pressing any and and all firearms one has for survival or repelling boarders. None of the gun types were left out. That included the Nagant though it was not a best pick. it could be used ina pinch.

Slow reloading and other handicaps abound with that gun, However one has to use what one has on hand somtimes regardless of those handicaps.

Let me give you several possiblities that would be better than the Nagant.

www.floridagunworks.com/.../merchant.mv?...CZ

The above site has CZ70s in .32 ACP. While not a powerhouse the pistol is more modern, FMJ ammo, ball ammo, or some jacketed hollowpoints can be had. This pistol is discreet for carry and an extra magazine can be carried. This is a bit over your price set down, but a worthy choice. CZ makes great, dureable and long lived pistols. This is considered one of them. This is probably the best of the low budget picks.

The case for the .32ACP:
http://ww.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=29770.0

Other budget guns for sale are from Cobra Arms.
www.cobrafirearms.net/ -

These meet the $150 dollar budget, a little under, or a little over that depending on the gun dealer or seller.

Another possibility are these.
This is where the actual owners of Jimenez firearms are.
bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/bryco.html
http://jimenezarmsinc.com/

The last but not least for the budget crowd is Hipoint firearms.

These are more reliable and dureable. Heavy and ugly they do work well.

These are in your price range and will work better than the Jimenez or Cobra guns for the most part.

Case is made for the Hipoints:
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=17791.0
If need be I can bring the overwhelming links proving the Hipoints do work.

Other than that used Charter Arms, some S&W 10s, and used Taurus revolvers would be the way to go. The prices for a old but still serviceable gun are out there to be had at local gunshops.
 
Over built gun that works great. There is a way to cut the DA pull down considerably and it costs nothing. It involves placing a number 10(or 12?) nut beneath a spring under the grips If I remember right. I haven't done it but have heard it does wonders. Someone will be along soon to post a link to it i'm sure, and i'm thinking it was one of the milsurp gun sites.

Mike
 
welcome to THR. :)

I understand where you're coming from, when money's tight. There are plenty of affordable firearms (new, but mostly used, in good shape) in the price range just above the cost of a Nagant (I've seen them start around $80 or $90), and if you're interested in using the firearm for HD or SD, I wouldn't start my search with the Nagant.

I'm thinking of getting a Nagant, but only for historical collecting purposes. From what I've read, super-heavy DA pull, super-heavy SA pull, and for close to $150 (or just a little bit more) you can find more user-friendly, reliable firearms, like a nice used Smith and Wesson .38 spl revolver, something in 9x18 makarov (CZ-82's for less than $200, but many chambered in 9x18 that are in the neighborhood of $200), a tokarev in 7.62x25, also around $200 or less.

Maybe even a hi-point or a used Kel-tec PF-9/11, EAA, or taurus 92 (9 mm, a more common chambering, ammo more available and less expensive over the long-term)

Gunbroker will have plenty of used wheelguns by charter, taurus, and S & W, though the prices are getting less competitive every day. 2" snubs probably will add one more bill to the total.

You may want to check out jgsales, aimsurplus, etc. for some police dept. trade-ins (e.g., Smith and Wesson 15's, .38 spl, 4" barrel, DAO for $220, Sig 225's). They also have mak's, tokarevs, and for a few dollars north of $300, Beretta 92 pd trade-ins.

Have you also given thought to long arms, like a shotgun, for HD?

If I had only $200 to spend on one quality firearm that could serve HD/SD purposes, I'd seriously look at the Smith 15, 64 or 67 over at jgsales.

Good luck and stay safe
 
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Get yourself up to enough money to get something like this.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...-good-to-very-good-condition/products_id/4124

or this

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...n,-one-mag-c-r-/cPath/16_155/products_id/3050

Check your local gun stores for deals on old smiths or rugers. You will find something in the around $200 that will serve you better. Heck you can get a brand spanking new Ruger P95 for 269.95 for where I am from. You can get any manner of Kel-Tec's used for less than $200.

I understand you are financially strapped but I would make sure you get something you can rely on.
 
Thanks for all the quick responses. :)

I checked out the links and the cz70 is tempting. I know the local gun store sells the 32acp. It's a good package (comes with holster, 2 mags for $170), but, revolvers generally seem more reliable.

As one of you said "a revolver has never FTE." I may go with cz if I get talked out of the Nagant, and can't scrape up the money of the Model 15. The Smith and Wesson Model 15 is almost 100 dollars more what I could get the Nagant for, but, I understand that it's worth it.

When you guy's have bought off gunbroker or jgsales etc... what does the FFL on the receiving end charge? (20 dollars or so?) There's a pawn shop in town with a gunbroker account and I wanted to know the "ball park" so I don't get overcharged.


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I should have mentioned earlier, I actually have a HD weapon. It's nothing fancy just a Mossberg 500. I got it before we lived in a bad area. It's not 'tactical' in any way. I got it for shooting skeet with my cousins and uncle. If the SHTF and somebody comes inside my house I'm grabbing the mossberg.

The reason I want a CCW is because I was a victim of an attempted robbery. I was on the way home from visiting family. I had gifts still semi wrapped in the back seat.

Some bum tried to open my back left door. By the time I heard the door handle sound he was all but inside my window. I was able to drive off safely but I'm still scared when I think about it... I've called the police 5 times in 2009. The 4 other times were all felony acts I witnessed.

I'm 6' 1" and only 24 years old. I'm not scared of getting 'beaten up' in a bar or something. I'm level headed and I can avoid those situations. I'm scared of deranged homeless people and thugs with glocks and other urban predators.

I was lucky enough to find a used derringer in a pawn shop for 90 bucks. It's a used double eagle .22LR. My wife has shot it and we both could hit somebody trying to come in our doorstep with it, but that's about it. (I might be better off with a knife, but she wouldn't). I don't think you can pass the CCW with a derringer especially if there's some accuracy test involved.

I also have a ruger 10/22 my grandfather left for me. :) I don't shoot it much, but I take it out of the closet and look at it from time to time.

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I'm seriously going to roll change etc. and see if I can get another 30-40 dollars to put towards the S&W. . . Maybe put an ad in the newspaper something like "yard sale-need gun money" :D

Anyways thanks for letting me introduce myself, and giving me good advice.
 
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eat cheap for a few weeks/month. (I went on the Ramen noodle diet for a little while to save some money.)

You're also going to have to figure on shipping from the originating FFL (from $15-45, $45 is outrageous but it's what the private carriers can charge for overnight), background check-nics (from $10-25) and receiving fee charged by the destination FFL (price varies, around here, $20-25). With these costs, you don't save that much money going with a cheaper gun. And you get a cheaper gun.

If you get a revolver, invest $15-20 in a set of snap-caps (decreases the amount of time needed to be spent at the range, practicing trigger at home). I really think the revolver is best, not only for the easier manual-of-arms and reliability, but also because of costs saved for weapon familiarization and practice. (Semi-autos, you'll be spending more money on ammo .... with the self-loaders you just go through ammo quicker, don't know why .... you just keep pulling the trigger). Also, magazine costs. Don't worry about the grips you see on the gun for sale, as S & W revolvers have tons of after-market affordable grip alternatives (and they change the gun, fit in the hand, shootability, concealability) starting at less than $20.

Look for FTF sales as well, here or elsewhere (to save on shipping, background, and transfer fees). check out local newspaper classifieds, penny-saver mags, ftfexchange, guntrader, TFL, and, here, of course.

If you buy local, and thus, have a chance to handle the firearm first, and it's a revolver, check out the sticky at the top of this subforum by Jim March, so you can inspect it adequately before buying.
 
Don't get caught up in the Nagant option. As mentioned it has its share of issues. Reloading being a very key item. Check Youtube for Nagant videos to see what I mean. It's worse than a single action due to the fiddling you need to do in order to prepare for ejecting the cases. And fixing it if something goes wrong is another. Not sure about a supply of parts but you'll want to check on that first. As for simplicity the Nagant has a lot more parts and things going on than a semi. It's not "just" a revolver. The cylinder moves forward every time you pull the trigger to jam the nose of the cartridge into the back of the barrel. This takes a lot more parts to accomplish and there's a lot more stuff to go funny on you. I understand that it is also why the double action trigger pull is so hellishly heavy. Heavy enough that you or your wife may have big troubles in keeping the barrel pointed properly. Especially as low time shooters.

'Nuff said on the matter?

By all means go for one of the more mainstream options. It may cost you more up front but when it's all done it'll end up cheaper because it works and you know you can get parts for them. Also if you get one of the guns the guys have been finding for you or something similar then you'll know it is something you can depend on if needed. And if you buy a worthwhile gun now even if it means scraping a little deeper it can be part of your defense group for many years to come.
 
For that kind of money, I'd get a 9mm Hi-Point.

I think I'd get a 44 cap and ball revolver before I'd use a Nagant, if for no other reason it would be cheaper to shoot, and have a lot better trigger pull.
 
Hello, new here asking for revolver recomendations around $150 (Nagant?)
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I found a friend a H&R .32 S&W long ANIB for $150.00 2 weeks ago that came with a box of shells. Thay wanted something cheap also. While not my personal preference I would much rather have it than a Nagant.
 
nagant = expensive ammo, horrific trigger pull.

save for a revolver that's worth a damn. eat ramen for a month and save up for a used taurus.
 
Well, I would say unless you are dead set on a revolver in that price range you can pick up a Hi-Point 9mm and be better off in the long run. Any firearm in that price range is going to be hit or miss on quality. You really get what you pay for in most cases. The Nagant would get you through the course though.
 
marble said:
Thanks for all the quick responses. :)

I checked out the links and the cz70 is tempting. I know the local gun store sells the 32acp. It's a good package (comes with holster, 2 mags for $170), but, revolvers generally seem more reliable.

As one of you said "a revolver has never FTE." I may go with cz if I get talked out of the Nagant, and can't scrape up the money of the Model 15. The Smith and Wesson Model 15 is almost 100 dollars more what I could get the Nagant for, but, I understand that it's worth it.

When you guy's have bought off gunbroker or jgsales etc... what does the FFL on the receiving end charge? (20 dollars or so?) There's a pawn shop in town with a gunbroker account and I wanted to know the "ball park" so I don't get overcharged.


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I should have mentioned earlier, I actually have a HD weapon. It's nothing fancy just a Mossberg 500. I got it before we lived in a bad area. It's not 'tactical' in any way. I got it for shooting skeet with my cousins and uncle. If the SHTF and somebody comes inside my house I'm grabbing the mossberg.

The reason I want a CCW is because I was a victim of an attempted robbery. I was on the way home from visiting family. I had gifts still semi wrapped in the back seat.

Some bum tried to open my back left door. By the time I heard the door handle sound he was all but inside my window. I was able to drive off safely but I'm still scared when I think about it... I've called the police 5 times in 2009. The 4 other times were all felony acts I witnessed.

I'm 6' 1" and only 24 years old. I'm not scared of getting 'beaten up' in a bar or something. I'm level headed and I can avoid those situations. I'm scared of deranged homeless people and thugs with glocks and other urban predators.

I was lucky enough to find a used derringer in a pawn shop for 90 bucks. It's a used double eagle .22LR. My wife has shot it and we both could hit somebody trying to come in our doorstep with it, but that's about it. (I might be better off with a knife, but she wouldn't). I don't think you can pass the CCW with a derringer especially if there's some accuracy test involved.

I also have a ruger 10/22 my grandfather left for me. :) I don't shoot it much, but I take it out of the closet and look at it from time to time.

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I'm seriously going to roll change etc. and see if I can get another 30-40 dollars to put towards the S&W. . . Maybe put an ad in the newspaper something like "yard sale-need gun money" :D

Anyways thanks for letting me introduce myself, and giving me good advice.
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I would like emphasize that you check around locally. Any FFL you can contact in your area and see what they have in your price range. You may be surprised what will pop up. Make friends with the locals and see if they can find you something or at least keep you in mind if they get something that fits your budget.

I would look up the requirements for your CCW permit. These are most likely online at a state website. You could also just google "getting a CCW in _______ Carolina", this works a lot of the time.
 
If it doesn't have to be a revolver I agree a Hi-Point seems to be in your price bracket. I have read enough good things about Hi-Point that I would have no problems buying one, but they may not be the easiest gun to conceal.

Perhaps a CZ-82 or FEG Pa-63 which is chambered in 9x18 wouldn't be a bad place to look. The ammunition for those are cheap and can be easy to find. They are nothing fancy, but they are supposed to be accurate and reliable. Just something to consider.

Best of luck.

Shawn

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...n,-one-mag-c-r-/cPath/16_155/products_id/3050

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9443440

Or maybe even one of these.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...-good-condition/cPath/16_385/products_id/2453
 
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A few guys mentioned Hi point and Armscor both can be had for less then $200 in your price range (new). If you shop real hard maybe you can find something used.
I bought a EAA Windicator in 357 its only use is to serve as a house gun but its no more chunky then my sp 101 so it can be carried as well, i believe i paid $225 at a local show.
Some gun shops or pawn offer layaway plans if you find something a little out of reach
thats allways an option. good luck
 
The Polish P-64 linked above is one one the best values out there and ammo is cheap. It is a super well made accurate dependable concealable piece.

On taking a course with the Nagant, you will probably keep everyone waiting while you reload. Just sayin'
 
if you need a revolver get a taurus or a rossi,had both never any problems still have a taurus 357,ive seen .38"s for good prices in both brands,their the 1st to go out the door at the local.add this model 83 taurus in 38 was 165.00 or 175.00 nice gun ,didnt last long.
 
Used or new Rossi 851's , Taurus 82s, or 65s can be had as well. These will fire the .38 Special and these are better than the Nagant or the .32 ACP pistol.

I have two + 20 year old Tauri revolvers, models 65& model 66 that are dependable,accurate, dureable, and trouble free.


What I forgot earlier and these gents did not is that it is best to go with a caliber that is in the 9x19/.38 Special ballpark at minumum even though a .32 ACP could et the job done.
 
I own a Nagant and I fire it for fun...that's it. It's a neat inexpensive little piece of history that I don't mind taking out into the woods because it would be damn near impossible to break the thing. Plus, if I lose it in a creek, it's no big loss short of the historic sense.

However, if my chips were down and all I could afford was one CCW, I'd certainly pick something different. I too am a big fan of the lil' P-64. They can be had for under $200, they a small enough to put in a pocket or just about anywhere, they fire a round that while weaker than the standard 9mm is pretty peppy and a step up from .380. Also, while you still have to buy the ammo online (unless you want to get gouged at a sporting good store), it is readily available and much cheaper than .380.

I would part with my P-64 before many of my other guns, but it is a great shooting little pistol. Accurate (even for me;)) and reliable. As a matter of fact, I've got it riding on my hip as I type. Some days a .45 suits my mood. Today the flat little P-64 felt like going with me to work:D
 
Another no on the Nagant, though it'll do the job.

Would recommend -
- Taurus 82 (used) ~ $170 - $220
- FEG PA-63 (surplus) ~ $150 - $200
- CZ-82 (surplus) ~ $180 - $210

Got experience with all of 'em and they're fine guns for the money - all under $200.

- Hi-Point

Don't have experience, but heard good things from my gunsmiths.




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