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HELP ASAP! Please review my Midway reloading order

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by 1KPerDay, Mar 31, 2010.

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  1. 1KPerDay

    1KPerDay Member

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    154114 Lee Safety Prime Priming Unit Small Primers Post 2006 Presses
    Available 1 $14.99 $14.99
    199200 Wheeler Engineering Screwdriver Bit S&W Rebound Slide Spring
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.79 $4.79
    204960 Frankford Arsenal Case Lube 8 oz Pump
    Available 1 $7.79 $7.79
    215517 Frankford Arsenal Impact Bullet Puller
    Available 1 $13.29 $13.29
    242098 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 45 ACP
    Available 1 $33.29 $33.29
    348753 Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure
    Available 1 $33.99 $33.99
    389104 Lee Chamfer and Deburring Tool
    Available 1 $2.79 $2.79
    467111 Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
    Available 1 $2.09 $2.09
    484416 Lee "Modern Reloading 2nd Edition" Reloading Manual
    Available 1 $12.49 $12.49
    589591 Lee Safety Prime Priming Unit Large Primers Post 2006 Presses
    Available 1 $14.99 $14.99
    604242 Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper 6" Stainless Steel
    Available 1 $12.99 $12.99
    786187 Lee Universal Shellholders Package of 11
    Available 1 $20.49 $20.49
    814175 Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press
    Available 1 $85.49 $85.49



    What else do I need? A powder measure, right? Do I REALLY need a vibratory case cleaner? Or can I do without for a while? Any other suggestions?

    Anything on this list I don't need? I have brass, bullets, and primers, a sizer/lubricator press, a lead furnace, but no pistol powder or dies. What do I absolutely have to have to start reloading?

    Thanks! :cool:
     
  2. Lee Roder

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    i don't see a scale.
     
  3. 1KPerDay

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    Yeah. the one I wanted (the cheapest magnetic Lee one) is on backorder. Scales are expensive! I don't know what to do. I don't really want to spend $100+ on a scale at this point but I know I need one.
     
  4. dakotasin

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    you need a scale, and spending a little extra to get a quality scale is money well spent. i would also add a powder trickler because you will use it a lot during load development, but after the load is developed, you may not touch it again. still, for $12, it is money well spent.

    i didn't see any trays for holding your cases either. spend the $8 and get one, or build one, but you will need one.
     
  5. Kernel

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    The list of stuff that's nice to have is never ending. Some items you might add to your list:

    You have a powder measure, what you need is a scale. There is a digital on sale at Midway, at the moment.

    Lee Safety Prime Small and Large (548630). Cheaper to buy them as a pair, rather than one at a time.

    A couple of spare turrets (292460).

    Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser (114080). Adds some height to the PM so it will clear the other dies on the turret. This is a "must have" and not very expensive. Surprised Lee doesn't just include it with the Classic Turret.

    The Lee case trimmer & locking stud (the one trimmer & stud works with all cartridges). Then, the case length gage & shell holder for what ever specific cartridges you intend to load. They all screw together to work as one unit. Very quick and useful tool. I would put it in the "must have" catagory.

    Lee Micro Disk for PM. Let's you meter really light pistol loads.

    Lee Double Disk Kit. Let's you meter large rifle loads (currently out of stock at Midway).

    Lee Adjustable Charge Bar. Let's you meter a variable charge, instead of a fixed volume (currently out of stock at Midway).

    Lee Rifle Charging Die. Let's you use normal rifle die set's with the Lee Auto-Disk. Lee deluxe rifle die sets all come with a charging die, and all you need is one (currently out of stock at Midway).

    That's a start.
     
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  6. 1KPerDay

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    Thanks... thought I added the case trimmer but it's not up there.

    So barring the out of stock stuff, if I just add the case trimmer and swap the individual large/small safety prime for the combo, am I pretty much set then, for primarily handgun loads (.45 ACP), after I add a scale and the case trimmer? (and dies for whatever...)
     
  7. 1KPerDay

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    Okay: list updated... tell me what you think.
    This is getting expensive.... :scrutiny:

    114080 Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser
    Available 1 $7.19 $7.19
    199200 Wheeler Engineering Screwdriver Bit S&W Rebound Slide Spring
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.79 $4.79
    204960 Frankford Arsenal Case Lube 8 oz Pump
    Available 1 $7.79 $7.79
    215517 Frankford Arsenal Impact Bullet Puller
    Available 1 $13.29 $13.29
    242098 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 45 ACP
    Available 1 $33.29 $33.29
    271467 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 308 Winchester
    Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
    292460 Lee 4 Hole, Classic 4 Hole Turret Press Turret
    Available 2 $9.99 $19.98
    309802 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 38 Special, 357 Magnum
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $33.29 $33.29
    348753 Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure
    Available 1 $33.99 $33.99
    389104 Lee Chamfer and Deburring Tool
    Available 1 $2.79 $2.79
    439386 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 9mm Luger
    Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
    467111 Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $2.09 $2.09
    476992 Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud
    Available 1 $3.99 $3.99
    484416 Lee "Modern Reloading 2nd Edition" Reloading Manual
    Available 1 $12.49 $12.49
    548630 Lee Safety Prime Small and Large Primer Feeder for 2006, Later Reloading Press
    Available 1 $20.99 $20.99
    604242 Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper 6" Stainless Steel
    Available 1 $12.99 $12.99
    605320 RCBS Model 502 Magnetic Powder Scale 505 Grain Capacity
    Available 1 $64.79 $64.79
    786187 Lee Universal Shellholders Package of 11
    Available 1 $20.49 $20.49
    814175 Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press
    Available 1 $85.49 $85.49
    832923 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 38 Special
    Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
    880062 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 45 ACP
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.49 $4.49
    885350 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 9mm Luger
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $33.29 $33.29
     
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  8. Kernel

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    You still need to add the Lee Case Length Gage for the .45 ACP cartridge. It comes with the special shell holder that works only with the Locking Stud. The normal shell holder that works on the press won't fit the stud.

    I'd leave anything out of stock off the order, otherwise Midway will kill you on the shipping when they do come in. Cleaning primer pockets is something you really don't HAVE to do anyway. Especially handgun cartridges.
     
  9. GW Staar

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    What's the price of shipping for all of that?

    Might be worth your while to check out Grafs If they have most of this stuff in stock, the total shipping would be a whole $4.50!!
     
  10. Kernel

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    I see you add some spare turrets. If you have other non-Lee pistol die sets, you'll need to get the Lee Powder Through Expander for each specific pistol cartridge. Otherwise, you won't be able to actuate the powder measure. All Lee pistol die sets come with one.
     
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  11. Kernel

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    $65 for a beam scale seems like a waste. A decent electronic one with check weights will cost $90, and be ten times quicker and more usefull.
     
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  13. pcwirepro

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    Hey 1K... they have the $20.00 Lee perfect powder measure right down the street at Cabelas.
     
  14. RustyFN

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    114080 Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser
    Available 1 $7.19 $7.19
    You want the pro auto disk.
    199200 Wheeler Engineering Screwdriver Bit S&W Rebound Slide Spring
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.79 $4.79
    204960 Frankford Arsenal Case Lube 8 oz Pump
    Available 1 $7.79 $7.79
    You don't need to lube straight wall pistol cases with carbide dies.
    215517 Frankford Arsenal Impact Bullet Puller
    Available 1 $13.29 $13.29
    Good to have.
    242098 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 45 ACP
    Available 1 $33.29 $33.29
    Good set.
    271467 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 308 Winchester
    Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
    You will need case lube for 308.
    292460 Lee 4 Hole, Classic 4 Hole Turret Press Turret
    Available 2 $9.99 $19.98
    Very good press.
    309802 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 38 Special, 357 Magnum
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $33.29 $33.29
    348753 Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure
    Available 1 $33.99 $33.99
    This is the right one.
    389104 Lee Chamfer and Deburring Tool
    Available 1 $2.79 $2.79
    439386 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 9mm Luger
    Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
    No need to trim straight wall pistol brass.
    467111 Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $2.09 $2.09
    476992 Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud
    Available 1 $3.99 $3.99
    484416 Lee "Modern Reloading 2nd Edition" Reloading Manual
    Available 1 $12.49 $12.49
    548630 Lee Safety Prime Small and Large Primer Feeder for 2006, Later Reloading Press
    Available 1 $20.99 $20.99
    604242 Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper 6" Stainless Steel
    Available 1 $12.99 $12.99
    605320 RCBS Model 502 Magnetic Powder Scale 505 Grain Capacity
    Available 1 $64.79 $64.79
    786187 Lee Universal Shellholders Package of 11
    Available 1 $20.49 $20.49
    No need for this, all lee dies come with the shell holder.
    814175 Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press
    Available 1 $85.49 $85.49
    832923 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 38 Special
    Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
    Again no need to trim pistol brass.
    880062 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 45 ACP
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.49 $4.49
    885350 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 9mm Luger
    Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $33.29 $33.29

    The Lee classic turret is a great press. I have been loading on one four years now and am very happy. I think you can save yourself smoe headaches by looking at Kempf, https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=26&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41 and add the upgrades for pro auto disk and both safety primes. The press will come with one set of dies but you will need to add a scale.
     
  15. guntech59

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    I think you would be better served with a collet style bullet puller. I have had very limited success with the impact pullers. The collet ones were a godsend for me.

    Just my opinion, of course.
     
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    Regardless of which PM you get, you'll need the RISER.

    That's debatable. You may not NEED to in order to make a shell that goes "bang", but you will get a more consistant crimp if you do, among other things.
     
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    Thanks guys. Rusty, don't you need the powder measure riser if you use non-lee dies? I don't have ANY dies right now so I suppose I don't need the riser, but I thought maybe I'd find some other brand dies locally or something.

    Don't pistol cases stretch? And don't 9mm and .45 ACP headspace on the case mouth? Is there a reason you don't need to trim them? Thanks for your patience with a reloading noob. :cool:
     
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    Read the reviews on Midway. You need the Riser for two reasons. 1) To clear tall dies AND 2) something about clearance with the Safety Prime mechanism. In fact, a number of poster say to get TWO Risers and stack them on top of each other in order to get enough clearance off the Safety Prime. With only one Riser installed you can still get interference.

    You don’t have to trim. You can certainly regurgitate rounds a lot quicker if you don’t. However, if you want to take the time an make the highest quality handload possible, then IMO you should. Trimming results in a more consistant crimp and helps to locate the crimping grove, realative to the case mouth, in a more uniform fashion. Both aid in better accuracy.
     
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    Yes Kernel is right you do need it. I miss read it and thought it was the auto disk powder measure.
     
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    Funnel for returning powder to original container and for pouring straight into the shell.
     
  22. jmortimer

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    As indicated above you need a scale and the Lee scale is adequate especially if you use powder dippers. You could eliminate the powder measure and get the dippers - around $10.00 I think. Even then, you still need a scale to check the first couple dipper loads - then you can put the scale away. I hate scales. Also, I highly recommend the Lee Auto Prime for hand held priming. Was just using one Sunday and knocked out 50 rounds in about four minutes while carefully checking each primer to ensure it was flush. What a beautiful $12.00 reloading tool. Also, the Lee universal funnel as indicated above. You are off to a great start.
     
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    Nobody's suggested this and I'm surprised, I didn't add up your purchase but have you thought about getting one of the starter kits that have just about everything to start reloading, might be cheaper than buying everything separately, then just add whatever you feel you still need.
     
  24. Kernel

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    You're buying a four hole semi-progressive press and jmortimer thinks you need powder dippers. LOL!
     
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    scales

    I really like Lee equiptment , but their powder scale is a desperation unit. I works and is accurate but it is extremely unfriendly and slow to use. Get a 505 and dont look back. The cheaper electronic scales are good for street corner drug deals and have varying accuracy and general lack of repeatability, thier range of utilityis only 0.2 grains, and the battery function is short lived. They on the other hand are useful for quick weighing of cases, loaded rounds, and other general tasks-setting up a load to weigh-you dip say 49.8 gr of a 50.0 gr load and finish dribbling it on the Ohaus scale, this is quick and accurate. But again on the othert hand if you want to spend >$100 for an electronic scale the Blue one has a good reputaion and has AC hook up- In short dont scrimp on either scale-youll just wind up buying another in the future--experience talks.
     
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