Help me choose a 1911

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glockky

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First off i have never carried a 1911 before and hope i can get use to the whole cocked and locked thing. I have been carrying a glock 26 for a little over a year now. Now i want a 1911 and i have narrowed it down to a colt defender and a kimber ultra raptor and just wanted to know the pros and cons of these two from people who have had them. thanks
 
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It is not totally necessary to carry a 1911 cocked and locked. I often carry with an empty chamber. Another option is whats called condition two where you have a loaded chamber with the hammer down. Fortunately the Defender is drop safe but condition two can be dangerous when lowering the hammer onto a chambered round... Usually this action should only be done by someone very familiar with the 1911 platform.
The Defender is a fine pistol but I am unfamiliar with the Kimber- Given the pistols price points I'd definitely opt for the Colt because it has less MIM (Not that there is anything wrong with MIM) I just personally opt for the other materials in the Colt... For however long Colt can afford to do that...
Other than that I'd recommend some trigger time on a full size- It might help you connect better with the compact.
 
Carrying with an empty chamber is only about a notch above carrying with your bullet in your pocket, IMO.
 
Yeah i dont wanna carry a 1911 if i wont carry it cocked and locked where i can pull it out and its ready to go.
 
Congratulations! Now you may want to consider changing your logon name. :)
 
Coming from wheelguns, it took me a while to become comfortable with Condition One and the 1911 platform. But in the last 6 months I've shot my 1911 more than my other handguns combined including the .22's. Addicting, I tell you.
 
Yeah i dont think you can change your name on here but i can now say i dont have any glocks sold 2 this week and all the rest of my guns are made in america and i am gonna keep them that way. So i guess i have kinda hijacked my own thread here so what about the oringinal topic pros and cons
 
...Another option is whats called condition two where you have a loaded chamber with the hammer down...

Carrying a 1911 in this mode is NOT SAFE. Some models you will only having the firing pin block preventing you from a ND, others may discharge if the hammer is struck. Most won't even let you engage the safety when the hammer is down.

Carry cocked and locked or with an empty chamber, any other ways are not advised.
 
If you decide to carry condition 1 (cocked and locked) a technique you should familiarize yourself with is when reaching for your pistol you thumb the safety off while placing your hand on the pistol as you're about to draw. If done properly disengaging the thumb safety natural and fluid as grabbing your pistol and drawing it. Obviously you need to practice but then again you should practice and familiarize yourself with any firearm you intend to carry.
 
So is the kimber better than the colt? colt better than kimber? I went and held both of them today and they both feel good the kimber is a much sexier pistol but the the colt looks more like a no b.s. nothing facy gun which i like too and doesnt have a ambi safety which is a plus in my book.
 
For what it's worth, I was torn between some Springfield, Kimber, and Colt 1911s recently.

For any guns with 4 to 5" barrels, the general consensus I gathered was:

Colt 1991: Will shoot reliably and not fail, will have very good/acceptable accuracy as well. No frills... only thing I thought I wanted was better sights

Springfield 1911s: Pretty reliable for the most part, magazines they come with are not very good for long, but aftermarket magazines fix that. I didn't do too much research on them, but they're very good overall, though except for a few lower end ones, most are more $$ than the Colt 1991

Kimber 1911: I was looking at the $700ish Kimber 5" gun, forget the name, Custom II IIRC? Great looking pistol, built very tightly... and I shot a friend's Kimber and liked it... but I have read WAYYY too many bad stories/experiences with people who have bought a $1000 Kimber, only to have malfunction after malfunction, multiple kinds... only needing to fix it with more $ to make it right, send it back to Kimber for several weeks/months to get resolved, or sell it and buy something else. Like I said, I shot one Kimber that a buddy owns, and really liked it after I got used to it... but knowing that this may not be my experience based on LOTS of reviews(don't look at gun magazines or anything that Kimber pays for advertising in.


Again this is basically my research in a nutshell. I shot multiple 1911s at my local range for several weeks before deciding I liked the 1911 platform. I love my Colt Commander 4.25" the most, though a close second was a Sig 1911(I think XO model)... it was nice.


FWIW I am not too keen on buying a shorter than 4" or 4.25" 1911 based on that they are not able to function as reliably.

A GREAT solution would be to build what is called a "CCO" or Concealed Carry Officer's 1911... what it is, is a 4.25" slide on top of an officer's frame... such as the Colt Defender.

I might also suggest seeing if you can try on some holsters for various sized 1911s... you might be surprised at what is concealable. I'm a bit of a larger guy(210lbs, 5'11") and could conceal a 5" 1911, but the 4.25 is just enough less that I'll be able to sit down without the muzzle touching a seat or whatever in the 4-5 o'clock position.


Most importantly, go out and shoot as much and as many firearms as you possibly can.


edit: And I LOVE my Colt Commander

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All that I will be doing to it is replacing the grips(more to preserve the stock grips than anything... stock ones are comfortable if you're shooting less than 150 rounds in one session... at that point they start to dig in), and I bought a 10-8 performance plain black serrated rear sight which I'll be installing myself. It works with the stock front sight. I'm replacing it only because I found myself having a hard time focusing on the 3 white dots at the range... my vision strays to the front and rear sight back and forth making it hard to get a decent picture. The stock trigger is fantastic on it too, though I haven't put a scale on it.


$0.02 from a new guy here.
 
shoulda kept at least one of the glocks in case you needed a gun that would work all the time ...
 
Rember 1911s like to run wet during break in most 1911 people say run 500 rds to se how it runs(ftf fte mag drops)
Before you edc. I would not tinker with it till the
500 are run through it. Did you get the stainless
Or a parkerized? Dosent matter nice heater either way.
Grats
 
From what i have read and understand the Colt will toss brass at your forehead and eyeballs when you shoot it. Also as i understand Colt customer service is near impossible to deal with. A few months ago i was in a similar situation, I was trying to Choose between A Colt Defender and a Kimber stainless Ultra Carry II. I ended up going with the Kimber based on reputation, recommendations by other people and price. I could not be more happy with the gun. Do a search on this site and your will find a lot of good info on the two guns.

As far as the cocked and locked thing. If your are carrying it in a Holster and you practice and familiarize yourself with shooting and drawing cocked and locked there is no reason not to carry that way. I agree with the other member who said not having one in the chamber is like carrying it with the bullets in your pocket. I would not reccomend that carry option if you plan on carrying it mexican style in your pants under your shirt) that safety comes off real easy. - .02cents
 
From what i have read and understand the Colt will toss brass at your forehead and eyeballs when you shoot it. Also as i understand Colt customer service is near impossible to deal with. A few months ago i was in a similar situation, I was trying to Choose between A Colt Defender and a Kimber stainless Ultra Carry II. I ended up going with the Kimber based on reputation, recommendations by other people and price. I could not be more happy with the gun. Do a search on this site and your will find a lot of good info on the two guns.

As far as the cocked and locked thing. If your are carrying it in a Holster and you practice and familiarize yourself with shooting and drawing cocked and locked there is no reason not to carry that way. I agree with the other member who said not having one in the chamber is like carrying it with the bullets in your pocket. I would not reccomend that carry option if you plan on carrying it mexican style in your pants under your shirt) that safety comes off real easy. - .02cents
I PERSONALLY dealt with colts cs and can say it was a great transaction. They worked on my anaconda and done a great job in the time frame they said and walked me through how to get it to them.

What more could you ask for?
 
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