Help me decide - general purpose rifle?

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So, here's my situation:

I'd like to have one general purpose rifle. I realize that doing it all with one rifle is a bit of a stretch, but given the conditions listed below and my reluctance to maintain a fleet of centerfire rifles in different calibers, I think that one should be sufficient for my purposes; most of my shooting is rimfire (.22lr), shotgun (12 gauge), and handgun (.44mag).

Here's the parameters:

- I live in a place where the longest ranges are 100 yards; would like capability of 200 yards, though.
- I don't hunt (I've hunted, just don't care for it personally anymore).
- This is for general purpose, i.e., range fun, moderate self-defense if needed, paper-punching, etc.
- Rifle absolutely must have iron sights of some sort, either aperture or open. I really am not fond of the current "deer gun/sporter" style of super-thin barrels with no sights and no way to attach them short of hiring a gunsmith.
- Reasonable accuracy, doesn't need to be a sub-moa laser beam, but also shouldn't be frustratingly inaccurate or require 20 minutes between shots to produce acceptable groups.
- No milsurps.
- Any repeating action (no single shots), preferably bolt.
- Minimum caliber: .243; maximum caliber: .45-70; preferably more power rather than less, as recoil doesn't bother me; preferably chambered for a rifle cartridge, not a pistol cartridge.
- Minimum cartridge capacity: 4+1.
- Preferably no detachable magazines (I'm lazy, I don't like buying them, plus it's just one more thing to worry about).
- No EBR's - just not where my interests lie.
- Willing to reload.
- Expense is an issue, I'd like to keep the cost of the rifle under $600.
- Must be reliable given good maintenance and normal use; this is the go to gun.
- No synthetics.
- No Savages (just don't care for them); prefer a Mauser-style action if it's going to be a bolt.
- No CZs; looked at one in the store the other day and was very underwhelmed (slow, gritty action, awful finish).

So here's a few I've owned and why they didn't fit the bill:

- Yugo 59/66 SKS - just didn't fit me well, very unergonomic, heavy as a Garand but without the power, sort of like an overgrown, ugly declawed cat that doesn't want to be held. 7.62x39, meh. From a belt-fed full-auto RPD, maybe.

- Marlin 336 - I didn't really care for this, but I can't quite say why; probably fits the bill given the above parameters, I think the aesthetics, or lack thereof, turned me off, which isn't the best of reasons, but whatever.

- Enfield Jungle Carbine - I really like this and would like it even more if I could modify it, but it's in good enough condition that I probably should put it up for a collector, rather than shoot it out or bubba it. .303 is nearly impossible to find here.

Here's a few I'm considering:
- Ruger 77MkII International in .308 (barrel too short, though?)
- Marlin 1895 in .45-70

So, thoughts? I'm probably nuts and wishing for too much, but hey, a man can dream, can't he? :) Thanks in advance.
 
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Sounds to me like a CMP Garand, except for the milsurp qualification. Reliable, classic, semi-auto without being an EBR, within budget, fun, great iron sights...
 
Love my Model Seven in .308. It's definitely hunting accurate, which is what I use it for. But I don't put lots of rounds down range through it on a regular basis, so can't comment on it as a target gun. But I consider it a great general purpose rifle. That said, since you're NOT planning to hunt with it, I think I'd look at the .243 or the 7mm08, either of which should shoot flatter from the Seven (but both of which would be plenty for whitetail or self defense if needed).

Given your handgun selections, though, I'd also consider a lever-action in .44mag (even though you said you prefer a bolt). 200 yards would stretch it, but it would be great out to 150. A Marlin 1894 with full-length barrel can hold 10 rounds in the magazine. And GeorgiaArms "deer stopper" ammo will give you plenty of recoil. And it make a great plinker with .44 spls. If you want irons, I'd set it up with XS Sight Systems ghost ring set. And in my humble opinion, the straight stocked 1894 looks far prettier than the 336's curved pistol-gripped stock. And if you're planning to use your GP rifle for self defense, the .44s are less likely to overpenetrate than the .243, 7mm08, or .308.

Let us know what you finally decide on.
 
In spite of having a detachable mag- how about a Browning BLR in .308? The $600 might be an issue, but a used one might be close.
 
For me, personally, the go to rifle is a Marlin 336CS that has XS aperture sights on it. Next up is a Swiss K31. But the K31 has a detachable mag in addition to being a milsurp.

Just thought I'd throw my choices out there.

Barrett
 
Here's a few I'm considering:
- Ruger 77MkII International in .308 (barrel too short, though?)
- Marlin 1895 in .45-70

If recoil is no problem, the .45-70 would fit the bill, and be fun to shoot as well.

Ruger bolt action in 257 Roberts (or the AI version) is easy to reload for, can be shot all day (very little recoil), is affordable to shoot all day (miserly on powder for its performance), and it won't burn up the barrel anytime soon.
 
It's clear to me what you need. You said that recoil doesnt bother you and you want power in a bolt gun preferably. Also accuracy and iron sights.

how about a Rem 700 BDL C-DLX. Beautiful wood stock. Great Irons. only drawback would be mag capasity, that is if you want a "power round"

3+1 for the 300RUM 338RUM and 375RUM all great heavy hitting cartrages. If you want that extra round then go with a cartrage that was not designed off of the 404 Jeffery, or any other 'elephant cartrage' for that matter.
 
A 1903A3 Springfield should fit most of your needs. It's got great arperture sights, has an internal mag, and 30.06 ammo can be purchased or loaded to do almost everything a rifle needs to do. It's a milsurp though. You could get a 30.06 Rem. 700 and have a decent set of arperture sights put on it.
 
I've got one of the Ruger 77RSI's in .308 and it's a fine rifle, mine shoots about 1.25" groups and wears a 1.5-4.5 scope. The short barrel loses about 100 FPS with standard loads but that is really no issue out to 250 yards or so.
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Some other interesteing options are the Husquvarna Rifles in 8x57 and 9.3x57. These are built on a Mauser action and can often be found with good peep sights already installed for $350-450 at gunsamerica/gunbroker/auction arms.
 
Some interesting responses and suggestions so far. A few questions:

- For those who like Remington 700-type rifles, is the extractor a concern? From what I've read and heard, that is regarded as the weak point in the 700 design. I understand that the Remington extractor can be swapped for a Sako extractor, but it seems odd to me to buy a new rifle and immediately replace the extractor. Am I worrying too much about this, or is it a really a legitimate problem? Are these concerns the same for the Model 7-type rifles? I'm thinking it's the same type of extractor, but I could be mistaken.

- deadly50bmg, 700 BDL C-DLX? Can't find it on the Remington website, but probably missed it (I'm being obtuse today for some reason). Is it on there? I have to say though, I'd rather not get into the "Frequent Barrel Replacement" program. :)

- antarti, 257 Roberts, hmmm. I hadn't considered that. I do plan on reloading for what rifle I wind up purchasing, and had been leaning toward more standard cartridges, but that might be fun. I see that it's offered in the standard Ruger 77MkII model, which would require installation of irons though. Not really a question, just hadn't thought about it.

- browningguy, nice setup there.

Yeah, I'm realizing I probably should be a little more specific about caliber choice. Like I stated within the original post, just about anything between .243 and .45-70 is fair game, so long as it's relatively easy to reload and components are readily available. The lack of .303 in this area isn't the primary reason I'm moving away from the Enfield, as I could very well reload for it. I guess, offhand, calibers I've considered of late are the following:

.243
6.5x55
7x57
7mm-08
.308
.30-06
.45-70

I'm sure I missed a number in this rather mundane list, so suggestions are welcome; however, nothing that's going to burn a barrel up too rapidly. I figure that stocking one centerfire rifle cartridge, even if somewhat exotic, shouldn't be too hard.
 
jfi said:
Some interesting responses and suggestions so far. A few questions:

- For those who like Remington 700-type rifles, is the extractor a concern? From what I've read and heard, that is regarded as the weak point in the 700 design. I understand that the Remington extractor can be swapped for a Sako extractor, but it seems odd to me to buy a new rifle and immediately replace the extractor. Am I worrying too much about this, or is it a really a legitimate problem? Are these concerns the same for the Model 7-type rifles? I'm thinking it's the same type of extractor, but I could be mistaken.

- deadly50bmg, 700 BDL C-DLX? Can't find it on the Remington website, but probably missed it (I'm being obtuse today for some reason). Is it on there? I have to say though, I'd rather not get into the "Frequent Barrel Replacement" program. :)
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You are correct on the extractor standpoint. There are stronger extractors out there, however, I have been shooting this gun for years and have never faced any problem whatsoever with the extractor. If your planning on handloading high pressure 'hot' loads, then a sako extractor would be optimal, however, I have blown primers and got cases pretty damn tight in the chamber and never "never" had a problem with the extractor. A very minor drawback to the worlds most accurate "out of the box" rifle.

700 BDL C-DLX = Short for Classic Deluxe. A very fine rifle for about $550
 
I've always thought that the old Winchester 94 would be a good one gun for most people in your situation. Serves well as a defensive weapon, and for most big game hunting that you might need to do in an emergency. Also light and handy. Hold lots of rounds in the mag. Also very unlikely to be targeted by antigun legislation. Probably will be one of the last to be outlawed in this country, just before single shot shotguns.
 
Remington Model 7 LS in .243, 7mm-08, or .308

Remington Model 700 BDL in .243, 25-06, .270, 30-06

Any of the above would fit your requirements. All have iron sights, no detacheable mags, in various calibers, with wood stocks, 4+1 capacity, bolt action, great accuracy. I don't think you'd go wrong with any of them.

Nearly all of the modern bolts now do not come with iron sights it seems (Winchester, Tikka, Charles Daly Mausers, Ruger-except the International). I think Remington is the way to go for you personally.
 
I think that the Marlin that you mentioned is a great answer for you.

Get the receiver sight, load it to your likings and you should be very happy.

It's a great gun with a lot of potential.
 
I like my rem700 ADL in 30.06, has irons, is a non milsurp bolt, available ammo, I don't remember the capacity (3+1?) but it is an internal mag. I scoped mine but with see through mounts so irons are readily available to fall back on. Plus mine is synthetic, but my father-in-law's isn't.
 
The lack of .303 in this area isn't the primary reason I'm moving away from the Enfield, as I could very well reload for it.

I'll have to look around, but somebody was doing 7.62x54R converstions on the Enfield a while back. Would make for dirt-cheap practice, and still give you better case life over .303 if you reloaded.
 
Thanks everybody ... looks like I have some thinking and shopping to do over the holiday.

I'm hesitant to rechamber/rebarrel the Enfield, since by the time I do that and refinish the gun, I probably could have bought a new rifle.

I'm going to start another thread on aftermarket aperture sights, so please weigh in there if you like. I know the first post said the rifle must have factory sights, but let's see what happens with this.
 
Sounds like a used Winchester Model 70 with iron sights to me.
+1.

Get it in .30/06 and you've got a modestly-recoiling rifle that uses common ammo in an easily reloaded cartridge suitable for anything North America has to offer. (Actually, except for pachyderms, lion, maybe giraffe and eland, you're good to go worldwide.)

A .308 is also another very viable choice.

If you really want a true "general purpose" rifle, why would you screw around with other calibers? :rolleyes:
 
Marlin 1895 w/ghost ring sight.
Winchester 94 30-30 w/ghost-ring sight
Remington (forget the model #'s) has a number of bolt-actions with iron sights that are pretty accurate.
Good luck,

David
 
Isn't ( or wasn't) there an Australian company making new No. 4 MKII Lee Enfield rifles in .308? And with stainless as an option?? It was a couple of years ago if I recall correctly...THAT wou make a nice piece for any general purpose shy of requiring an auto loading action.
 
always thought that the old Winchester 94 would be a good one gun for most people in your situation. Serves well as a defensive weapon, and for most big game hunting that you might need to do in an emergency. Also light and handy. Hold lots of rounds in the mag.

I was thinking the same thing. .30-30 ammo (150gr and 170gr SP) can be bought about anywhere and is easily handloaded for. Magazine capacity is 6 or 7 +1 and is easily topped off. It comes standard with sights on the barrel and can easily be fitted with a Williams or Lyman aperture rear- receiver or tang mounted.

If it must be a bolt, commercial, and non-Savage, I recommend Winchester's Model 70 in either .308Win. or .243Win. However, the Classic Compact does not come standard with sights.
 
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