Help me pick out a single action revolver

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I have bought two Rugers in the last month and a half, a 50th Anniversary 44 and a Single Six with fixed sights, and I haven't found anything wrong with either one of them, except I prefer the shape of the older grips. I have already fixed that concern, too.
I don't understand the USRA perspective. Spend that much money to get a gun made exactly on the old expired Colt patent, except it isn't a COLT. Why spend that much money to get a gun that is exactly like a Colt, but isn't?
Let's face it, guns are like women. We all like what we like. Because. We don't need no stinking logic !
 
I have been wanting a single action revolver for a long time. Watching 3:10 Yuma only made things worse. What should I look for in a single action revolver. I have a few .357s so it would probably be best to stick with that caliber but I do not want to rule anything out. What's the best barrel length? Stainless? Blackhawk, Vaquero? This will be my last pistol purchase for awhile so it has to hold me over.


There is something special about a single action revolver that harkens back to an era when this was truly a free and wild country. Today there are only a few good options (IMHO) if you’re looking for a Peacemaker clone. They are Uberti/Cimarron, Ruger New Vaquero, and US Firearms. Which is “best” depends on a few things…

If price is no object:
Then US Firearms is truly the best. In terms of quality and historical accuracy, they can’t be beat. Some would argue they are even better than today’s Colts.
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If both Price & Historical accuracy are important:
Then Uberti would be the best choice. They have no modern safeties, and are a very close reproduction. Their main weakness is their springs. They tend to break easily compared to today’s modern coil springs like the Ruger. They are also some of the best looking Single Actions out there...
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If price, ruggedness and still keeping at lest a little historical accuracy are important:
Then the Ruger New Vaquero would be the best choice. It is somewhat historically accurate in the dimensions are very close to the original Peacemaker. Although history does take some hits with its modern coil springs (that are darn near impossible to break), and its transfer bar which makes it safe to carry 6 rounds. The New Vaquero is built like a tank…
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As far as barrel length that boils down to what you like the looks of the best.... If you want to learn how to fast draw and spin it (unloaded of course) then the short 4 5/8” would be the best pick.

Stainless is a good modern substitute for a nickel-plated gun. Nickel was desirable long ago because it protected the gun from the elements better. However, most cowboys could not afford a nickel-plated gun. Stainless wont crack or peal like Nickel can/will. Although Stainless will be much heavier than a regular steal gun, and thus will take away from the historical accuracy too.

Case Hardening is very beautiful IMHO… The draw back with it is the case hardening finish only goes so deep. In 15 years or so, it can eventually wear off. Regardless if it’s an acid bath finish like Rugers and Uberti, or it’s a real charcoal process like US Firearms.

The only thing left is caliber. A 357/38 will be cheaper to shoot. While the 45 Long Colt is the real deal and is what they shot 100 years ago, which only adds to its appeal…


The Blackhawk is a single action, has a loading gate, and that is where the similarities end. While it is an excellent firearm, it is so far from the original Peacemaker, it could not even be considered.
 
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For a first SAA-alike the Ruger New Vaquero would be hard to beat. I got the John Wayne version and the polish seems nicer than their standard blue but I'm not certain of this - apart from a Mark2/45 it's my only Ruger.

It doesn't demand learning a new manual of arms, it's pretty nice looking, shoots straight and, in .45 Colt, makes one grin.

The S&W model 3 is nice but it seems to me even the replicas are priced in the stratosphere. If the model 3 is an option for you then so is the Turnbull, the Colt, the USFA pre-war and probably the Freedom Arms. At least the replicas won't have you tracking down .44 Russian to shoot in it.

I'm not here to argue USFA vs Colt, or Beretta vs. Ruger. But I would suggest that if history is your call, then read about it and choose a gun that was prominent then and desirable, not just what the media tells you to get. If you want a Colt-pattern SAA because it's what you've dreamed of, then go for it. But if you want an "old west" gun, then look at them objectively and choose. Lots of gun hands did, and they chose a S&W when they had the choice.

I will likely get flamed badly for this, but heck, just go handle and shoot the guns, and go look at the sales figures before 1900.
No flames here, but it's my understanding the Colt 1878 did pretty well too. But, being double action, it isn't allowable in SASS and hence isn't represented as much as might otherwise be the case.

Additionally, several of the names you cited also carried SAAs (I think Virgil Earp is the one that carried the 3) - I expect those folks were less emotionally invested in their tools than a lot of us are. Roosevelt, for example had this to say:
"Every ranchman carries a revolver, a long … Colt or Smith & Wesson, by preference the former".
(from armchairgunshow.com)
I'd like to see the 1878 get more ink but with SASS not being DASS it likely won't happen.
 
No mention of the EAA Bounty Hunter that can be had new for around $300. If they are good enough for Paco Kelly, that alone says a lot. It's also a transfer bar action so the cylinder can be fully loaded.
 
I don't understand the USFA perspective. Spend that much money to get a gun made exactly on the old expired Colt patent, except it isn't a COLT. Why spend that much money to get a gun that is exactly like a Colt, but isn't?


I paid $450 NIB for my USFA Rodeo. Your going to pay over twice that for a Colt, probably more like $1,100 plus. New Rodeos can still be had for under $600 new. I don't understand why everybody thinks all the USFA products are as much as Colts. The higher end SAA's maybe, but the Rodeo is every bit as good as USFA's more expensive guns, but has a black matte finish instead of color case hardening. Its fine for me.

Nothing wrong with the Rugers either if you want a transfer bar system. I have a Blackhawk and its a great SA revolver.
 
If you are going to shoot SASS I'd recommend the Ruger New Vaquero in .357 Magnum.

It's a good gun/caliber to start with. from there you can move in to other calibers if you desire and reloading for .357 is easier since you are already set up for that.

I have a Colt SAA and plan to get another one someday, but I shoot my Rugers more as they hold up better to day to day use.

BikerRN
 
Buy whichever fits YOU best - period. Which grip is more comfortable for YOU? Which bbl length balances best for YOU? After those issues are decided on, fixed or adjustable sights is all personal preference.

Regardless, stick with a Ruger!
 
I don't understand the USRA perspective. Spend that much money to get a gun made exactly on the old expired Colt patent, except it isn't a COLT. Why spend that much money to get a gun that is exactly like a Colt, but isn't?

That has the potential to veer the thread rather well. Since many folks will assign value to the Pony a reasonable surmise is that the high end replicas are trying to offer something that the real thing doesn't.

Both the Turnbull and the USFA Pre-War are shipped with carbona blue and CC hammers. The Colt uses hot salt blue and a white hammer. Both the alternatives are more historically accurate if the objective is Colt's 1st gen. That white Colt hammer really gets under some folks skins although I'm not one of them. Much.

The STI Texican seems to be competing less with a modern Colt SAA "out of box" but rather the same product after it's received a pile of gunsmithing and "slicking up". It's "race ready" for the same tariff as a bone stock Colt.

Then there's the Dark Times, that period when Colt's QA was hit or miss. Numerous reports indicate that those times are done but some of us don't consider ourselves savvy enough to be able to inspect a Colt suffiiciently to assure that we don't get a bowser. This isn't helped by the fact that many dealers feel compelled to chastity belt the things prohibiting a check out. A special order Turnbull, STI or USFA can't be checked either but they don't carry the Dark Times baggage and one is less apprehensive doing so.

Last, but most certainly not least, ATF's production numbers reports would lead one to believe that Colt's maximum capacity for SAAs is roughly 3,500 per year. SASS membership numbers recently exceeded 80,000. If each of those 80,000 couldn't live without a brace of Colts, it would take Colt near 50 years to supply the demand. There's a degree of inability to supply product that might contribute to others jumping into the high-end SAA-alike market.
 
I just purchased a used case hardned and brass Uberti Cattleman in 45 Colt. for only $319.00. Since 45Long Colt is so $$ to shoot, I wont be shooting it that often. I just liked the looks and historical accuracy of it, while the price made it impossible to leave at the gun shop. I do most of my SAA shooting with my 357 Ruger New Vaqueros using 38specials.

I think Driftwood Johnson over at cascity summed the Uberti vs Ruger about as nice as I have ever seen. I agree with everything he said, and therefor I will just quote him ranter than retyping it...

Driftwood Johnson wrote: It's a bit unfair to make a blanket statement like Rugers are much better than Ubertis, without a bit of explanation. What should really be said is that Rugers are much different than Ubertis. 'Better' is in the eye of the beholder. You are really comparing apples and oranges when you make such a statement.

Ubertis pretty faithfully follow the original design of the Colt Single Action Army, a design that is 125 years old. As a matter of fact, some elements of the design go even farther back, to the 1836 Colt Paterson. When Bill Ruger designed his first single action revolvers in the 1950s he had the tremendous advantage of new technologies and manufacturing techniques that did not exist in the 1800s. One major difference is coil springs. All the springs in a Ruger are coil springs. Coil springs are virtually unbreakable. Colts and Ubertis use flat leaf springs. When a Colt or a Uberti goes out of commission, it is often because a spring has broken. Ruger springs don't break, but the price for that is that Rugers have more parts inside than a Colt or Uberti. Every spring inside a Ruger has a plunger associated with it to make it work. More parts means more complicated assembly and dissassembly. Ask a Ruger ownere and a Colt owner how difficult it is to take their guns apart or put them back together again. Colts are simpler, there are fewer parts, and they are much easier to take apart and put back together again than a Ruger is.

Because Ruger used more modern technologies to make his revolvers he was able to make many of the interior parts simpler. The bolt is the most complicated part inside a Colt or Uberti. It has a complex geometery that is intricate to produce, in fact it is a fancy spring because one leg has to bend and spring back every time the hammer cycles, and the bolt of a Colt or Uberti generally has to be custom fit to the gun. Complicated, expensive, and needs custom fitting. The analagous part in a Ruger is a cheap stamping. It probably costs about 5 cents to make it, and it pops right into the gun with no fitting at all. This is all possible because the Ruger had techology available to him that did not exist in the 1800s.

There are more differences between an Uberti and a Ruger, I just wanted to name a few. The older technology of the Uberti design is what makes it desireable to many shooters. Yes, it is not as rugged as a Ruger and may break down or wear sooner. But one is not better than the other, one is just older technology.

GunBlast article on Slicking Up an Uberti...

Gun Week article on the Uberti:

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Western Nostalgia

As a diehard Westerns fan (extensive John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, et al DVD collection (200+ Westerns), I too have those urges to emulate the gunslingers once in a while. I am also very lucky to have 3 strapping grandsons who enjoy shooting. My approach is not to Cowboy Competition, but how to share that hobby with hombres with little hands. I have settled on two rimfires. I have a Henry 1000Y (youth model) and a Ruger New Bearcat (both in .22 LR.) We share a lot of fun and don't burn up much of Grandpa's budget. I don't suggest .22s for everyone, but don't discount them for real fun shooting!
 
If I wanted a classic Colt SAA repro I would have been looking at Pietta myself. Cheap and better quality than Uberti from what I've heard.

If I wasn't that bothered about the authentic feel I would get a Ruger New Vaquero. And I'd retrofit modern sights on it. The ruger blackhawk looks so horrible with that bulky massive topstrap, while the New Vaquero is so sleek and lovely looking.

Or, the Super Blackhawk in .44mag, it has modern sights and look sorta like a SAA.
 
The one thing I haven't seen mentioned here is that you might want to steer away from the Blackhawk. If you get a gun with modern sights, it limits your ability to shoot in CAS to only one category due to it having modern sights, from the CAS Handbook:

REVOLVER – MODERN CATEGORY
• Modern category revolvers may have dovetailed or adjustable rear sights and/or dovetailed
front sights.
• The rear of Modern revolver front sights may be reshaped (such as rounded).
• Ramp style front sights are allowed if original to the firearm.
• Beaded post front sights or inserts are not allowed.
• Modern revolver REAR sights may be replaced with commonly available sights of the same
size and type. Modern replacement target sights such as the Bomar and Millett type sights
are not allowed.
• Modern revolver FRONT sights may not be undercut.

As to the quality of all the revolvers mentioned here, I won't argue the points made by the fellow Highroaders. They all have positives and negatives. I personally like my .357's. (less ammo to carry around for pistolas and rifles that way)

And as to having a transfer bar safety, that really doesn't matter as you will only carry 5 shots anyway during competition. It only matters for your peace of mind and learning to leave that hammer down on an empty, which is a good practice anyway.

Just food for thought.

YMMV
 
Have owned Rugers, Blackhawks, Super Blackhawks, and Vaquero. I have come to prefer the "real" SAA's, either a Uberti or Pietta copies of the Colt SAA. I like the triggers better, not the "coil spring feel" of the Rugers.
I shoot them more accurately, don't mind the 5 round load even though I occasionally carry one for CCW.
Have a 4 5/8" Pietta in bright stainless, and a great blue Uberti 7 1/2" made in the early 1970's. Both are excellent revolvers.
I suggest you find a used one of each type that interests you somewhere, handle each, see what feels better to you.

Enjoy yourself.

FWIW, both mine are .45 Colt caliber now.

mark
 
CPTGONZO, You may use an adjustable sighted revolver in any age based catagory, as well as modern.
 
Thank you for all the replies. Now I want more than one single action revolver :). Maybe I shouldn't have bought that Glock 26 and put the cash towards one of the USFA revolvers. I think I am going to start off with one of the Ruger Blackhawks. I would like one in .38/.357 with the 9mm conversion. If possible in a 4 3/4 inch barrel. If I can't find one in that caliber I will look at some .44 caliber models. It is probably best for me to hold out for the .38/.357 since a large part of my ammo stock is of that caliber. I would be willing to get one in a 6 1/2 inch barrel. I need to go shopping, hopefully I can find one locally.
 
Remington 1858

Always thought it would be neat to have one of these with a couple of conversion cylinders, very "Pale Rider"!!
 
When I was first looking, a friend suggested the Great Western II. I bought a couple of them and they are still a good knock around gun that I give to those who come shooting with my son and I.

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But nothing is like having the original. It is worth saving up for. I really like the 5.5" barrel length and there is no way I'd buy one in .357. It has to be a .45.

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Okay, I got a little carried away, but I needed two and my son needed two and my wife needed two.
 
In my laziness I forgot to share with everyone what I bought. I picked up Ruger Blackhaw with 4 3/4 in stainless. It was used but in excellent condition. I picked it up for under $350.
 
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