Help me to raise firearms awareness on this site.

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This site, http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk, is basically arguing for the banning of all firearms. Let's use some facts, not just shout-down arguments, to help educate these persons about the truths of self-defense with a firearm. Please keep it High-Road, and please don't resort to personal insults against the other people on this blog. Thanks!
 
Shoot, I hope they pull it off and HK moves its offices over here! If they had a plant here, we'd be able to get 'em cheaper and in the original configurations.

But the reason they are likely based in UK is that HK makes their rifles now. They have to have an office there I'd imagine.

The anti's always base their arguement on an appeal to emotion. Logic will best it everytime. They also like falsehoods, half-truths, and concealment of the facts. Again, exposure to the truth will win.

Best thing you can do is to take a kid shooting. Leave your tacticool stuff at home to start with (because they'll want to go again, trust me) and teach them fundamentals and safety. The anti's arguements will start to look ridiculous to them as grow.

Take an anti shooting too. Again, exposure to the truth works. Seeing it from a different perspective, seeing it for themselves, and not just hearing anti propaganda and news reports of murder goes a long way.

Good luck doing this in the UK though. There the case has been lost already. So in a way, they are all anti's.
 
Off topic but since you mentioned it.

Shoot, I hope they pull it off and HK moves its offices over here! If they had a plant here, we'd be able to get 'em cheaper and in the original configurations.
H&K has a plant in the US. Its in Newington,New Hampshire. They make the MR556,HK45 and other stuff there.


But the reason they are likely based in UK is that HK makes their rifles now.
Negative. The L85 was of British manufacture and no new rifles have been made since the mid 90's. About 10 years ago H&K (which was British owned at the time) rebuilt most of the L85s in service.
 
Help the UK wise up. No good comes of the UK becoming more anti-firearm and anti-self-defense.

Wake up the sheeple to the reality. It's not all bad.
 
I'm sure the body guard / elite units of many shady governments use or issue some HK weapons...

But I fail to see how that is "arming a regime". That sort of thing is much closer to a personal weapon, of which said users would have many many other choices.The bulk of forces for those type governments are issued the AK-47 (cheapest rifle), or older M-16's (second cheapest rifle) by far, depending on which side of the Cold War the country in question was on. Lots of old FAL's floating around as well.

It's a numbers issue - look at the number of weapons HK actually makes Vs. the number of guns needed to arm these regimes. Not even close. Then you have the issue of second or even third party purchases, and I don't think these clods have a leg to stand on.
 
Sorry but I don't try to argue with idiots any more. You get no where because no matter how many facts you bring to the table the idiots have stupidity on their side and use it often
 
Sounds great except for the fact you'd be wasting your time. The denizens of the United Kingdom aren't gun lovers betrayed by a dictatorial government; waiting for Americans to free them from the yoke of tyranny. They have not only drunk the no-gun Kool-Aid, I believe they may have drip tubes in their arms.

The UK has the notion that by banning everything that can be used as a weapon, they can end violence. So far, it doesn't seem to have worked very well, but reversing the trend involves a lot of important, well-placed and often high-ranking people admitting they are, and have been, wrong. In addition, it involves a majority of Britons admitting they were wrong for believing the important, well-placed and often high-ranking people who sold them this load of horse puckey.

Imagine a nation led by Richard Daleys, Michael Bloombergs, Chuck Schumers and Carolyn McCarthys and populated by supporters of the Brady Center and the Violence Policy Center with a relatively small number of inhabitants who like to hunt and one lad out in Shropshire who actually likes guns. (This may be overstating the case, but it's not too far off.) Do you really think that bombarding them with facts is going to change their minds? Daley threatened a reporter with a bayonet mounted on a rifle and wanted a staff of armed bodyguards after he left office, Bloomberg had people violate federal laws, Schumer had a handgun permit and McCarthy has made a nice living on the taxpayer's dime for 14 years and not one of them sees any inconsistency. All of them have been barraged by facts from people living in a country that generally supports gun ownership and yet they still trot out the same old, tired, long-disproven arguments.

If you're determined, I suggest you try to find a pro-gun group in the UK to help you spread the word. Good luck!
 
I believe that "persecution of a firearm enthusiast" should be an acceptable reason for "political asylum". I guess Europe learned very little from WWII. I hope the U.S. does not save their bacon in the next world war (that is of course unless one of our honorable, elected leaders doesn't decide that he's going to be next one to try to conquer the world).
 
^ So are you talking about the EU or the UK? Regurgitating these overused, sad stereotypes do nothing to affect the greater good.
 
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