Help me with the Rem 700 SPS Tactical...

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So I have posted a couple threads asking for help choosing a new rifle. I have actually decided to purchase two. A .308 and .223... I'm really divided over the Savages I like and the one Remington. I have heard a lot of internet voodoo about Remington and need to have some actual owners chime in. I would like to stay with the same platform for both calibers. The .223 with be for coyotes and the .308 will be for deer. Both will be used for punching paper. I don't need another maker choice, I have settled for these two.

Can someone who has bought a Remington after the merger please advise me on their satisfaction on the product? Thanks
 
I have the SPS Tactical AAC-SD and absolutely love it. Mine shoots 5/8" groups @100yds out of the box with Federal Match ammo. I have the trigger adjusted to around 2lbs. I know a lot of people do not like Cerberus(Freedom Corp.) that owns Remington,Bushmaster,etc, but I have no problem with them. I own a couple of older R700's(.243,270) and honestly will take the SPS Tactical over them for accuracy, any day. I own a few firearms made by the Cerberus Corp.(Bushmaster BA50, Remington 700, Remington R1 1911, and Bushmaster ACR, and love them all. I cannot speak for the Marlins, post Cerberus buyout.

Now Savages.... I own a couple Savages 110's(30-06,270). Both are great rifles. I do prefer the R700 to the Savage 110's as far as the action and the aftermarket selection of parts. But the Savage really shines of you ever want to change barrels or calibers. I am a huge fan of this. I have many,many rounds through the Savages without a hick-up too.

What I am saying is they are both really good manufacturers. You will not go wrong with either. It is just personal preference to which suits you best. For me the R700 is my choice. Others prefer Savage,Sako,Kimber,Winchester, or Weatherby. You will hear horror stories about all of them too. The sad part is all are mass produced and sometimes a lemon gets out. I had a Kimber that I finally sold due to issues. Don't be afraid of any of these brands. They ALL make great rifles.
 
For the record, Big Green, aka Remington, still builds great rifles, as does Savage, as does BACO, Browning Arms, who produces Winchesters and Brownings, etc. A lot of the complaining you get to read on the inter web is from folks who have limited experience with rifles and have difficulties for which they own a good part of the responsibility. Some is no doubt legit but bad customer service and defective rifles are rare indeed.

As examples, this is my first 3-shot group at 100 yards from a very recently acquired Rem 700 XCR II in .375 H&H Magnum using some hand loads. I had quickly sighted in the scope with some factory loads using Federal Premium with 260gr Nosler Accubond bullets; this set used the same bullet and the accuracy load at 2640fps recommended in the Nosler manual. I decided that load development was completed for my North American hunting needs...and that, just the one more time, Big Green got it right.

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To show you that Remmy's less expensive rifles in .308 do just as well, this next pic is a 5-shot group at 100 yards with the hand loads indicated, that I shot two weeks ago. As in the rifle above, these are unmodified Rem 700s except for replacing the factory stocks with Bell & Carlson Medalist sported or target stocks and glass-bedding the action, which I do with any Rem I acquire.

This group is using the 2700fps "accuracy load" recommended by Sierra for the 168gr Match King bullet, used in Federal Gold Medal Match factory loads.

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The final pic is a 3-shot group I obtained at a range session in March 2012 with my Savage 116 in .30-06, also at 100 yards. I was using my standard Match loads in .30-06, as indicated. The rifle, a 2009 unmodified 116 FHSAK, is straight out of the factory box, but wearing one of my Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 scopes in Leupy bases and rings.

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I posted this to show that all these companies produce rifles as good or better than they ever have and that, as delivered, they shoot better than the shooter can in most cases. I'll admit, when I get a rifle, I check all the action screws and their tightness, I mount my own scopes, and work to find loads that are particularly useful for both practice and hunting, and, in the case of synthetic stock Remmys, change out the stocks and have my bud, a gunsmith, bed them and free float the barrels. Nevertheless, it is reasonable to expect excellent results from all the major manufacturers in their medium-priced lines. You should buy the rifles you like and, expect satisfaction.

Good luck,

FH
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I got my Rem 700 SPS Tac in 308 a few weeks ago, I couldn't be happier with it, it shot a .52 MOA 5 round group with the factory stock, the group would have been .18 MOA if not for one flyer, this was shooting 175gr Federal Gold Medal Match. The reason I went with Remington was the ungodly amount of aftermarket parts. I have a new stock (chassis actually) in the mail, as well as a new trigger.
 
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I like the savages because everything you can do to them you can do yourself. I've had 3 savages and I have 3 Remington's. They are both solid rifles. With the savage steer clear of the centerfeed action it's a pin. With Remington replace the trigger and don't worry about the mishaps with it. I had my 7 mag go off twice on me. Once while chambered and took safety off, second was on closing the bolt. I put a rifle basis in all 3 and not a hitch
 
I've owned Savage and Remington. To be honest I prefer Remington over Savage and I have sold all my Savage rifles.

If I had one complaint about the SPS it is the stock. I do own an SPS VS in .22-250, nice rifle too. The stock is horrible and worth about $.02. I bought my SPS on a Saturday, by Monday I ordered a B&C Medalist.

Other then that I have no complaints about the newer rifles.
 
I'll also add that I have owned 2 Savage files, a 10FP in .223 and a 12VSS in .22-250. The 10fp was a very accurate rifle that could shoot groups under 1/2" just about all the time. The rifle had one flaw that caused me to finally sell it, the rifle could not be depended on to reliably feed the next round. This is a common problem with Savage and Stevens rifles. I put up with it for 5 years and finally sold the gun.

The second Savage had a problem where it just kept stringing the shots. I couldn't figure out what the bedding problem was.. My gunsmith suspected a problem with the fluted barrel. After 6 months I gave up and sold it.

I never had any problems with any of the Remingtons I owned. But given the choice between Remington or Savage I'll take Remington.
 
Don't own a tactical, but do own an SPS-Varmint that I bought as a "project gun". Have been fairly happy with it over all, any issues with accuracy i've had with it, i feel can be traced to me instead of the rifle.

so far i've,
  • ditched the factory stock (flimsy plastic lacking a bedding block or pillars) for a B&C A2
  • upgraded to a Timney trigger. Lighter and crisper trigger, but my main reason for it was i'm one of those guys that deep down believes "Remingtons should have Grooved triggers"
  • and on a lark I cut down and threaded the bolt handle to accept a "tactical" Knob

it's been almost 4 years and I still like this rifle.

all that said, if it were me i'd buy Savage instead. frankly if i could have gotten a comparable heavy barrel savage for anything less than $700 at the time (the Remmy was $550), I'd have bought the Savage. I have much more extensive experience and good luck with savage than I do with remington.

Oh and One last note. I have an issue with this statement someone made early in the thread.
That is a long fall from being the most accurate mass produced out of the box rifle in the world.

Remington hasn't been able to truthfully hold that title in decades, if ever. there is a perception that they once did, because the Marines picked the 700 as the basis of the M40. but that was because of factors outside of inherent accuracy.

Even in it's Darkest days the Savage 110 series was and remains more inherently accurate than factory remingtons. and during those "bad times" it was the triggers that held back the savage rifles from shining.
 
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Detritus, thanks for your honest reply. I have been reading a ton. I have a made up my mind about a dozen times.. LOL

And your reply hits the nail on the head. Why buy a rifle I will eventually buy a new stock and trigger for when I can buy the Savage and just shoot it and be happy with it.

I have already decided to get a .308 Savage 111BTH... I've almost settled on the SPS tect in .223, but I think I need to read a lot more. Don't get me wrong, I really like the SPS, but being a father and not a huge budget, I want to buy two rifles that I will use for the rest of my life and then pass on to my boy.

The thought of fiddling with a SPS is a fun thought, but do I need to drop another $400 to get it up to it's real potentional?
 
No, mine is still as it was out of he box, except for minor tweaks. I adjusted my trigger and strengthened the stock. The Hogues have a different feel. If you like them, you love them, if not, you hate them. I personally love mine, due to the "sticky" feeling. It allows a better grip on the rifle. If I were shooting from a rest, I would go with a McMillan or B&C. My advice is to handle both rifles, and see which you like better.
 
I've almost settled on the SPS tect in .223, but I think I need to read a lot more

Not to throw a wrench in the works, but before you make your final decision take a look at what the Savage 10FP-SR (their answer to the Tac AAC-SD) is going for in your area, as well as the .223 versions of the 12FCV, and "predator hunter" variants.

for feed reliability there is a definite advatage to the Centerfeed models from Savage, so ALWAYS check specs On the savage website. <= that link leads to their model browser check out the Varmint, Specialty, adn Law Enforcement sections for .223s that might fityou needs and then check LOCAL prices, because the listed MSRPs are at least $100-200 high on average for where I am, at the moment.
 
The thought of fiddling with a SPS is a fun thought, but do I need to drop another $400 to get it up to it's real potentional?

I'm going to take my answer to this in stages.

First it depends on whether you get a version with the Hogue overmold or the basic, standard "SPS" piece of plastic fluff.

the "standard SPS" plastic stock, lacking any form of "bedding structure" ie Pillars or a bedding block, does not provide a solid base to secure the action to, and just flat isn't as stable and consistent as a stock with said structure.

the Hogue comes with either Pillars (i think this is the version used on the SPS-Tactical) or a full bedding block. And, if i was otherwise happy with the Hogue (don't like the mentioned "sticky" feel but that's me) I would not bother to restock it any time soon.

Second, the mods I mentioned, Stock, trigger, modding the bolt handle, happened over the course of 3 years. new stock came first and i beleive is most important since i did buy a rifle with the crappy plastic, cost me $250 and my groups went from an average of 1.75" to 1" from one day to the next with the only change being the stock. and i'm sure that if i was able to get out and shoot more (and re-establish my loads, lost my notebook somewhere) I could shrink those groups to a consistent 1/2"

The trigger I replaced about 7 months ago, Partly because of my stated preference for grooved triggers on Remingtons, and partly because my particular X-mark trigger started having an issue (inconsistent pull).

But unless you find that you can't work with the X-Mark or your particular X-Mark fails, there is no reason to switch to an aftermarket untill your ready, if ever.
 
You should look at dicks sporting goods. They have a black Friday sake for the Remington varmints for 350!! I'd buy 2 at that price if I didn't already have 3 223s
 
Oops almost forgot

One thing to definitely look at when shopping for a .223 rifle, check the twist rate!
most companies have gone to 1in9 or even 1in8, or 1in7(rare on factory bolt guns) rifling twist. But some models Like the .223 version of the 700 SPS-Varmint, are still built with 1in12 barrels. a 1in12 will limit your bullet choices to the lighter end of the scale and to actual "Varmint Bullets". and keep you from using some of the Higher BC bullets in the 70gr+ range, which can be a factor if you want to use the rifle for target use past 300yrds

BTW, the SPS-Tactical in .223 has the better 1in9 twist, so if you decide to go remington for the .223, the tactical is the better choice over all.
 
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I have an SPS tactical in .223 and it's been a good gun. I only have about 100 rounds through it so far but it has hovered right around 1 moa using the georgia arms 69 gr ammo. I just ordered components and dies so I can start serious load development and see what it can do.

I like the xmark trigger but was not a fan of the hogue stock. It is pillar bedded with 2 aluminum pillars but the stock still has enough flex to touch the barrel when using a bipod or a rest towards the end of the stock. I replaced it with a takeoff Remington VLS stock and added an EGW bolt handle for easier manipulation. I really enjoy shooting this gun and am ready for some more trigger time with it.

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