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Carl Levitian

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We all have them, sisters, wives, daughters, some of us even granddaughters.

I've been following the Annie Le story in the news, and its a never ending repeat of history. A replaying of ancient news reports of like stories. It seems like every other week there's a story about some young woman/girl getting abducted and/or killed. It's time we do something.

If every American who has a daughter, sister, wife, or live in partner, got serious and provided some training on how to use a weapon that is comfortable for her to use, there'd be a heck of a lot less of this kind of stuff. I can't help but wonder if little Annie had been raised with a little different mindset, and had just a little something to fight back with, a box cutter, Spyderco dragonfly, small screwdriver, anything,, if she'd still be alive and going through with her wedding, and a normal ever after life.

It's surprising how having something, sometimes gives the inspiration to fight back. I've seen the difference a little tool can make when some training went with it. Something to hang onto in time of trouble. Even in the wild, chimps have been seen to pick up rocks to throw, sticks to swing at an opponent. Are we capable of less?

I remember my dad taking my sister Ann down the basement and teaching her to use a little Christy knife to damage an attacker. It took place right after an attempted sexual assault on her while walking home from school. Dad drilled her well to have a plan, practice that plan, and if need be, follow through on that plan. Even if that meant cutting somebody really good. It was many years later, while Ann was in her 20's and out in the working world, she needed a plan. It was another attempted assault on her at night as she left her office building. Walking to the side parking lot, she had to pass a little fenced in alcove where the dumpsters were, and a man who had been stalking her, did a quick grab and pulled her in out of sight. But it was 'the plan' that saved her, and her attacker went to jail. She was saved by a ridiculous little slip of a knife blade, and the well rehearsed tactic of using it that saved her. One can only wonder what chance otherwise a 5 foot 4 inch 120 pound 23 year old woman would have had against a 6 foot plus male in a dark confined place.

When my daughter got to her teen years, I did the same as my dad. Jess got trained in how to damage with a wide array of objects. We went over knives, screwdrivers, kitchen knives, pens, sticks, as well as guns. To this day Jess is a fanatic on carrying her little Spyderco, to the extent of it being clipped on her underthings when she was bridesmaid at her friends wedding. My granddaughter has went the same way. My wife Karen, I don't worry about, her Uncle took care of that many years before I met her. To this day, she still carries a sliding blade Stanley. Her friend Kate is a lifelong fan of the box cutter, with hands as the target.

It's been said clothes make the man, I can only wonder if the weapon makes the victim a would be victim? Having something to strike back with can make all the difference. Knowing what to do with it is gravy on the meatloaf. Maybe I'm nuts, but I think it should be mandatory to teach defense to the girls before they get out of high school. Since it's not, it should be a family member to teach her about using common everyday objects to inflict damage so as to disengage and break off the contact.

I'm not sure, but if Annie Le was in a lab, there must have been stuff around. Pens, glass tubes, tools of some kind, scissors. Gypsy women are taught at an early age what can be done with a pair of scissors. Something to grab. I can only surmise that she didn't, because she was never taught to. Nobody ever taught her to shove that pen into the mastoid gland, or up the nose or into an eye, and run. Nobody, so she had no plan, nothing to fall back on when things were dark and she was in mortal danger. Because of lack of an option, she died.

Tonight, or sometime real soon, sit down with that special lady in your life, be it wife, daughter, sister, even mother, and have a real good heart to heart talk about how you don't want anything to happen to them. Find out what they would consider carrying and learning to use as a weapon. For those of you in the 38 of the 50 states that let you CCW, great! firearms are the leveler of playing fields. But for some of you, like us living in the peoples Republik of Maryland, guns are not an option. Besides, you can't take guns everywhere. But there has to be something that they will be learning to use as a non-firearm option. Something small and lightweight enough so they will always have it on them. Go with them to check out any martial arts schools in your area. Get them into some kind of training. They don't have to be able to take out a Russian Spetznatz, just present some teeth and claws like a cornered cat so they can get out of there.

If they think it not a ladylike thing, point out both Annie Le and Meredith Emerson as examples of not being prepared to defend oneself. As for ladylike, actress Yunjin Kim of TV show Lost is as beautiful an example as one can get, but from what I understand, you don't want to take her on lightly. She's expert in the use of quarter staff and broadsword, as well as a Tae Kwon Do champ.

Gentlemen, lets get busy on arming and training our women not to be victims like Annie Le.
 
Great post Carl. My wife has one of those tiny mini Spydercos...the little serrated 1" jobs. She carries it on her keychain and she knows to open it and carry it out as she walk to her car. That little thing looks just like a key and is no longer...nobody would even no it wasn't a key and thus other shoppers, should there be any, wouldn't know.

Very good ideas. Having worked some in chemistry labs there are many things that would make a decent weapon in a pinch. Those glass stirring rods would be very effective if well placed.

QB
 
From the little I did read about this the guy got clawed and bruised up pretty good. She just lost in the end. That said, your right about encouraging women (and men) to consider learning self defense. Most people I have known enjoy it, and it is beneficial both to the individual and to society.

BTW, the way you word some things... took some effort to keep my head out of the gutter. :uhoh:
 
the problem is I dont think you could carry a box cutter or a knife on school grounds without getting thrown out if you got caught ,and most crimes take you by surprise
 
True, tjdude, but you can carry scissors! The Gitanos of southern Spain were renowned for their novel use of shears as weapons. When I was in highschool, I carried a pair of barber's scissors, the long slender kind with sharp points. Nobody dares tell a student they can't have scissors. No one thought anything of them in their little pocket on my backpack. But even the thickest of punks at the school didn't feel like getting punctured or slashed if I had them in my hand.
 
I have instructed my wife as well as all three daughters how not only to use firearms and knives but all sorts of things that can be utilized as a weapon............. and to use it well :evil:
 
ounce of prevention

Carl:

I work a part time job with younger women, i.e. -I'm old and they are not my age.

My observation in dealing with them is that young women and girls suffer from the same things as do young men. Rebellion against mom and dad's authority. And a heightened sense of you are old and out of touch, and I am up to date and have seen it all. They must somehow learn that to be cautious does not mean that they are dependent and helpless females.
Today's women are independent, so much so, that many of them go about their lives exposing themselves in bad situations believing they can handle what ever comes their way.

Many of these women expose themselves to the dangers they encounter, and while defensive instruction can be resorted to, they would be better off
being enlightened on the darker side of life that is reality. And circumventing it before they are involved.

I think one of the benefits of learning martial arts; particularly grappling instead of striking air, is that a woman quickly learns that ferocity and
a black belt will not make her an equal to a much heavier and overpowering
male attacker who can drag her down to the ground and control her.

Most men learn at an early age not to let the bigger guy get you on the ground or it is all over.

I would therefor expose my women to Judo; Brazilian or otherwise, "ground techniques" by competent male instructors repeatedly enough until she is convinced she is not going to win with the men. Not to discourage her, but again for the reality of it.

As an adjunct to that, I think the supplemental training that would benefit would be the "strike to distract, effect a release and flee" instructions.
 
Good message, Carl.
The young woman in my signature was abducted and killed by a couple of ghetto thugs. It didn't have to happen that way either.

I always enjoy reading your stuff. :cool:
 
Very good post Carl ----- I showed it to my 12 year old daughter and she has agreed to take some Eskrima tips from her "OL MAN " !!!

I've tried to do this in the past but she was such a "girly-girl" that there was no interest. Now that her body is starting to develope , her mind is playing catch up.

Again -- thanks for the post.
 
I've read many places that when a boy comes to pick up your daughter you should greet them with a Ka-Bar, shotgun, baseball bat to put the fear in them--Don't mess with my little girl...

I have found that it works a lot better when they come to the door they find my daughter, and I have ten of them, sharpening her own Bowie knife...Don't fear me boy, fear her...

I have sent all my girls, from age 9, to Tae Kwon Do classes until they wanted to stop, usually just before black...It was/is all that was available to us in our after school programs so whether Jing Dong or Ping Pong would be better to learn was and is immaterial...Two went on to black belts (1st & 2nd) and my youngest is going for her 3rd black in a month's time
 
Gentlemen, lets get busy on arming and training our women not to be victims like Annie Le.

While a nice post, this notion that we as big strong smart men are going makes things safe for little, weak, ignorant women like Annie Le by making them take training is a bit out of line. Why is it up to the guys to make sure this happens? Are you suggesting that the gals inherently don't comprehend this sort of problem, don't understand a solution, and can't help with the solution? Moreover, it ignores all males who also suffer at the hands of violence.

Annie Le was 24, her own adult woman as was Meredith Emerson. At some point, we all need to take some responsibility for ourselves.

Heck, Le had reported to a friend of hers that the guy who is now arrested for her murder was frightening to her, but what had she done about her concerns?
 
Why is it up to the guys to make sure this happens? Are you suggesting that the gals inherently don't comprehend this sort of problem, don't understand a solution, and can't help with the solution? Moreover, it ignores all males who also suffer at the hands of violence.

I get your point and agree with it but you have to admit that while few men are enlightened to true self-defense combatives, etc, even fewer women are and in fact are culturally (often) discouraged from that type of thing. You can focus on anyone you want to when you're spreading knowledge about self-defense and personal safety, but there's nothing wrong with making a thread about helping women in particular. One needs to use different tactics teaching women these things not because they are dumb, but because they are different.
 
and in fact are culturally (often) discouraged from that type of thing.

Okay, got it. It is up to the men to now reverse the traditional longstanding sexist mistake of telling women they can't do things that started falling out of favor about 3 decades ago.
 
Yes, that's exactly what I said!

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Anyway, women certainly are discouraged by various groups from standing up for themselves. (In some cultures within the US - is it threatening to you when I use that word? - as well as rather subtly by what passes for mainstream discourse, such as news media, much "rape defense," conventional wisdom, etc.) Not the least of these groups is women themselves. They are certainly taught politeness to a fault from a young age, i.e. not to make anyone uncomfortable. Ever notice how girls often have better manners than guys? Well that works both ways. If you were to go around harassing guys, how long before you get hit in the jaw? Do the same to women, and the most you'd probably get is an uncomfortable laugh.

Cultural, genetic, I really don't care. You can refuse to help anyone who is not already aware and skilled in self defense, I don't really care. You can make this about your battle of the sexes agenda, I don't really care. But you can't act like there isn't a good reason to help a woman in your life learn self-defense - they are targeted more than men, and they are more vulnerable for both cultural and biological reasons.

I think I see where you're coming from. I have read and enjoyed some articles by Waren Farrell; you should check him out, as I think you would enjoy him too. To paraphrase him, men are damaged by over-general attitudes about gender bias. Many men AND women have a rough life; it's not all about gender. However, it is pretty silly to get upset when there is a single post about helping women with defense and you say "this ignores all the violence men face." It's a documented, provable fact that men and women face different types of violence and need different strategies. I don't understand what's upsetting you.
 
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Good evening , here in germany the laws on guns ,clubs and knives are getting tighter & tighter ! So i'm interested in learning how to teach my sister or girlfriend about defending themselves with a scissor or screwdriwer or therelike , any tips or tricks ?
 
Hello trol79,

Do screwdrivers have the same notoriety in Germany as weapons used by criminals? If so, I would suggest avoiding them as I do not know the laws in Germany very well.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I was always fond of the scissors as improvised weapons. It is actually part of my ethnic background. But to the point, long shears are best in my opinion, especially those used for cutting hair. They are slender and have sharp points.

There are three grips that can be used. One is to insert the pinky finger through one of the handle holes and close the hand around it, with the closed blades protruding from the top of the fist. The second is an inverted form with the index finder inserted through the handle and blades protruding from the bottom of the fist. Both of these are stabbing grips only and maintain the most secure grip. One last grip that can be used to slash is hard to describe (see attached picture; it is over 10 years old but I had it handy). It has the blades opened and can also be thrust at an assailant's face, neck or hands.

Because scissors have two blades, they can also be throw as a distraction. I have had shears thrown at me and it is scary as hell. But never assume they will injure or disable if thrown, and also remember that one should not throw away one's only weapon.
 
It can be as simple as yelling your clear need for help. Some women go mute and quiet as a defense mechanism. Others just scream, but unfortunately a lot of girls and women scream for no particular reason so people will tune it out. Call out for help, and be clear about it.
 
I agree with James T Thomas. That is the biggest problem, although some women can and do know how to take care of themselves.

Probably the best start in life for any female (and male for that matter) is an unarmed martial arts school starting about age 8. Weapons and other related skills can be integrated later with maturity.
 
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