Help Wanted 30.06 rifle remington failure

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Okay, after a recent trigger/safety failure of my brand new remington 700 sps (DM) rifle in 30.06 caliber. Yes remington fans it had the adjustable x mark trigger which caused the rifle to fire almost everytime it was switched from safety to fire. (I might also add that there was no altering to this gun it was in orginal factory condition) SO much so that when I sent it back to remington they kept it and refunded 100% of the purchase price to me. So despite what long time remington fans tell you....the x mark trigger is not safe. I am heart broken over the deal as I have been a remington shooter for 20 plus years, but I will not own another one.

Anyways I find myself in need of a new rifle and I want your suggestions. I want the follow criteria in my new rifle:

> non remington brand
> 30.06 caliber only (165 grain bullets my favorite)
> synthetic stock...not cheap plastic either
> non stainless steel finish. I just dont like the shine.
> price range between $800 and $1500
> primarily a hunting rifle for Missouri whitetail deer
> some random target shooting
> must group..(1.5 or less) ..I want a consistent group...not a hit or miss production rifle

I already have a brand new Leupold VX3 scope 3.5 x 10 . 40mm with 165 grain CDS 30.06nturret scope for the rifle.

This will be my primary hunting rifle and I want to make a good investment that I will be happy with for many years. Any ideas or suggestions as to what I should look at are appreciated more than I can say....thank you
 
The trigger that's the center of all the fuss was the older one.
The X Mark Pro is only about two years old.
Which one did you have?

While any mechanical device can fail, I worked with a new BDL in .30-06 a few months back & it ran fine.
I wouldn't turn my back on Remington.

Denis
 
Maybe a lemon amongst the many newer Remington 700s. Im glad nothing bad happened.
 
I guess Weatherby still guarantees theirs to shoot 1.5 moa (does anyone else ? ). The action design is certainlythe equal of any of them. I don't own one, but I would certainly lean in that direction if I was considering it. If that is below your price range, you could special order one with engraving or something of that order.
 
I own a Winchester M70 circa 1994 (bought new) and it has control round feeding. It cost me $500 but I believe the prices are around $1K now.

Anyway, in .338 WM it is NOT a tack driver.

Although I do not own a Savage, many here say they are VERY accurate and that they provide the best value amoung popular manufacturers.
 
cant go wrong with a Savage
never tried a m70 before, Browning's are very nice but pricey
too bad about your Remington i really like mine

did you ever try and adjust it to a heavier pound pull?
just curious
 
Thanks for all of the advice so far.

As far a my remington it had the new x mark adjustable trigger. I never adjusted it. I like the way it pulled straight out of the box. After it misfired I tried to adjust it only to learn that it continually fired when placed off safety and the trigger adjustment didnt matter.

According to remington you can even take the adjustment screw out and fire it at the lowest default setting (2 pounds) and its safe.

All I can tell you is sitting in a hunting blind with a 10 year old. I clicked the weapon from safe to fire with no fingers in or anywhere near the trigger guard on a gun that was two months old and had been fired 25 times. The gun fired scaring us both to death. I had no choice but to get rid of the rifle for my own peace of mind. I wish you the best with your remington but as for me until they up their quaility control we are done.
 
if your price range is the 800-1500 range as you mentioned in your original post I would highly recommend either a Kimber or a Weatherby Mark V ......

If you want to have a complete package for 800-1500 here is what i would get (if buying new)

Weatherby Vanguard Sub-Moa (buds has killer prices on these and I have one) or if you can find a USED or LIKE NEW MK V on GB or AA get it.
Warne 1 piece mount with Warne medium rings
Burris Signature 4-12 x 40

If the trigger is a bit sloppy or gravely I would instantly go with a Timney or Jard (100 to 150).

complete package would run you around $1000 to 1100.


Or here is a recent package i put together (rifle was actually purchased from a fellow THR member)

Wincheser Model 70, 30/06 blued 24" barrel with iron sights, walnut stocked.
Warne 2 piece mount with warne QR rings
Nikon Buckmasters (the buckmasters are always last years Monarchs) 3-9x40 with BDC reticle

The entire package cost me $600 (including the shipping and FFL fees). At 100 meters I have nice clover leaf patterns with the bullets touching (using hand loads, but even the cheap federal 150 and 180gr SP will pattern very similiar.
 
Try to find a M70 with this type of trigger. This action is FN PBR, FN later changed the trigger. But all previous M70's, pre 64, push feed, have this trigger.

M70action1.jpg

I was at a gun show this weekend and saw a couple of push feed M70's. They were reasonably priced. There is nothing wrong with a push feed M70, it is just the market prefers the controlled round feed.

I really like the M70 action, smooth and slick. The safety positively cams the firing pin back. With the firing pin held back you can empty the magazine. Given that commercial rifles have an over ride trigger, this is the safest procedure to empty "from the top" that I am aware of.
 
Over the years i've fixed many firearms of all brands... Had i got THAT new Rem., it would have went back with a BIG "fix or replace" sign on it!

YES i have fixed other brands with trigger problems, so....

DM
 
If your criteria is 1.5 moa, don't get a Weatherby.

They can only do half that size group. :neener: :p :neener:
 
I was wondering how satisfied are weatherby owners with thier guns>????
 
Owning three Weatherby's doesn't make me an expert, but the ones i have all shoot under 1". I also reload all of them as they are weatherby mags calibers but if you are looking for a good 30-06, my cousin has 2 vanguards both in 30-06 and i have seen him shoot and he has one that shoot about 1-1/2" w/ a 180gr. bullet and the other shoots 3/4" groups using a 165gr bullet. Oh we shoot and sight in our rifles at 150 yds.
 
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There are some very nice 30-06 rifles out there. The ones in this PDF are some of the ones I have admired from afar: http://www.verney-carron.com/pdf/brochures-2009-US-Impact-Plus.pdf

But there are so many choices. Most have mentioned US made arms and they are certianly in the running. But, I think I'd be looking at TIKKA or Sako in my short list. I don't say buy one. I do say go look at one. Not a lite as you'll be unhappy with the stock - it's very light and feels a bit flimsy. A standard weight syn stock would be my feel and fit tester.

The TIKKA action was specifically designed around the 30-06 cartridge. Sure they can shoot shorter rounds if they are setup for it, but the 06 is the ideal fit for that action. I have found the feel coming to shoulder to be nearly ideal for me. 5' 11" and about 240. It might not fit you so well and that's fine - just cross it off the list. But if it does fit you, I think you'll find the bolt and the action VERY pleasing - as in smoother than a baby's butt :)

They will meet your 1.5" accuracy standard out of the box :)
 
Got to put in another vote for the Savage. This one falls well within your criteria.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/111FNS

Since you already have a nice scope, just get you a good base and ring set and away you go. It is really hard to beat a savage in accuracy out of the box. And the accutrigger is A+. Very positive feel to it. With the money you saved ( $100 less MSRP than what you said) you can gain some really nice brownie points by taking the wife out to a nice dinner!
 
That may be the saddest story I heard all day. Model 700 disappointing someone. That's rare. Regardless of what anyone wants to think, the 700 is the standard for a classic, solid, reliable, accurate bolt gun.
 
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