Help with bolt action rifle

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steve635

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I'm thinking of buying a bolt action rifle primarily for target shooting up to maybe 300 yds., perhaps deer hunting later. I'm leaning toward a Savage in 308, and would like opinions regarding this rifle and equivalents. Feel free to comment on brand, caliber, etc.. The 308 Savage was recommended to me by a couple of rifle savvy friends for price, accuracy, and availibility of inexpensive ammo.
I would also appreciate advise on a scope for this rifle, again longest shooting will be perhaps 300 yds. but most will be 100-200. Again comments on brands, features, etc. will all be welcome.
Thanks
 
Savage

Good gun at good price. Another rifle in the same price range is the Howa Varminter. For scopes it seems the larger the better. I have a 6x18x50 and I can 't see the holes at 200 yards. Need a good spotting scope.
 
Good rifle.

I used to shoot a Savage 110 cal .308 bull barrel in metalic silhouettes, from 200 to 500 meters. It shoots very tight groups with reloads, military ammo and new commercial ammo. It´s a very good rifle for your money and if you wan´t cheap ammo. it´s the best caliber you can choose for what you wan´t it.
Regarding the scope choose the best you can afford, I have leupolds in all my rifles and never had problems with them. Once a base mount (not leupold) broke in a 30.06 and the scope drop into a cement floor, I send the scope to the factory with a letter explaining the cause of the scope malfunction, that it was my fault and that I will pay for the repairs, they return me the scope with new turrets, shine like new, in a new box and with a new life warranty. That tells a lot for Leupold name.
 
My deer rifle is a Savage model 11FLC in .308. It is not particularly pretty, but it is VERY accurate. With cheap (or what used to be cheap) factory Remington 150 gr Core-Lokt ammo I can get close to one hole groups. I definitely and unreservedly recommend the Savage based on price and accuracy. (Bang for the Buck, you might say ;) ) Availability of inexpensive ammo however, would be based purely on what chambering you choose. IMHO there IS no inexpensive ammo anymore, unless you roll your own.

As for a scope: Given the purposes you outlined, I would go with a 2-7x35 or 3-9x40 scope, with a slight nod to the 3-9x40 due to the fact that this is THE single most popular variable range, which means it tends to be the pricepoint and thus cheaper for any given quality range.

Things to avoid:
Cheap scopes - Optics is one of those areas where you generally get what you pay for (although there is of course a point of diminishing returns). A minimum acceptable quality scope will cost around $100. If you cannot afford that, I highly recommend you shoot with iron sights until you can save enough. Cheap scopes have cheap lenses that will increase eye strain, will not provide sharp resolution, and are far more likely to break, fail to hold zero, or have sloppy adjustments that make it difficult or impossible to sight in properly. You can get a $30 scope that works ok, but it isn't likely.

Doodads & Gizmos - You do not need target turrets, mil-dot reticles, 30mm scope tubes, illuminated reticles, adjustable objectives, or "tactical" anything, unless you absolutely know without a doubt that you want/need it for the type of shooting you are going to do and will use it. For the type of general purpose target shooting/hunting you mentioned, almost all of these things would be just a waste of hard-earned cash.

Over-scoping - Many people seem to think strapping an astronomical observatory to their rifle is the way to go, but a $300 plain-vanilla 3-9x40 scope will have better optical quality and better resolution than a $300 scope with higher magnification. It will be a LOT better than a $300 scope with high magnification and assorted doodads. Also, heat wave distortion can be an issue with higher magnifications. Don't make the common mistake of thinking that higher magnification means you will see the target more clearly. The quality of the scope lenses has much more to do with it. A clear, bright, sharp image at 8x beats a hazy image at 16x any day. With my Zeiss rifle scope on 8x, I can clearly see bullet holes in paper at 100 yards that I have trouble seeing with a cheap spotting scope on 20x!

My (admittedly highly opinionated) scope recommendations:

For a decent scope on a minimal budget of around $100, I would consider this scope:
Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40


If you can afford a scope budget of around $200, a number of good quality choices become available. I would recommend the following:
Bushnell Elite 3200
Sightron SII
Nikon Buckmaster
Burris Fullfield II

The Burris Fullfield II is the scope I put on my daughter's deer rifle when I wanted a good scope that would enable her to enjoy hunting but wouldn't break the bank in case she decided hunting wasn't her thing.


If you can afford a budget of about $300 and want to step up a notch:
Nikon Monarch
Weaver Grand Slam
Bushnell Elite 4200

These scopes are all good choices and should be around $300. My personal choice in this range would be the Bushnell Elite 4200.


If you can afford a bit more ($400), the Zeiss Conquest is a superb scope with outstanding clarity and resolution. You would have to pay almost twice as much to find a scope with better optical quality. This is what I have on my deer rifle. It is the best scope I have ever owned, and unless I suddenly become rich enough to afford a Schmidt & Bender or Zeiss Diavari costing $1300+, I doubt I will ever feel the need to upgrade.
 
no one has ever said anything bad about a savage that I have ever heard. thatd be a good choice if you want to buy a new production rifle. for a good bolt rifle shooting up to 300 yrds, id also look at a mauser or mosin nagant. Those guns are capable of 300 yrds easy with iron sights and i dont see 8mm or 7.62x54r being a problem for deer.
and availibility of inexpensive ammo.
i wouldnt plan on inexpensive .308 anytime soon.

a mauser or mosin nagant is probably a fraction of the cost of a savage and you have tons of cheap surplus ammo to shoot as well. something else to consider, i dont believe the savage comes with iron sights and you are limited to scoping it.
 
Eshtetics Vs Function

The only complaints I hear regarding Savage Rifles is that they are not as refined from a cosmetic stand point as other rifles. Functionality and Accuracy are as good if not better than any other rifle in the price range.
Keep that in mind You will need to make a significant jump in cost to get a better rifle. For an entry level price you get superior preformance.
 
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savage is probably the best in their price range.
.308 excelent for accuracy, price and paper or fur
scopes: 1.leuopold
2.nicon
and with a jump in $$$$$
3.zeiss
4.Sawarski
 
Only three choices.

In the same price range, there are only three choices; Howa, Stevens and Savage. The latter two are owned by the same company, Stevens is the "budget" line with no accutrigger and cheaper stocks. My choice would be the Savage because of the trigger. Mine is an older model without the accutrigger, but if it ever needs replaced...

.308 Winchester is one of the best rounds you can go with for an all-around rifle. It will push all but the heaviest .30 caliber pills at nearly .30-06 velocities and due to the shorter column accuracy is often better than an '06.

Heed the advice of .41Dave on scopes. For work (target or hunting) out to 300 yards you really don't need more than a 6X scope. Spend your money on clarity and light transmission rather than fuzzy magnification.
 
Thanks

Thanks to everyone that responded, I think that does it I'm getting the Savage. To .41Dave and 1shot1, between you two you covered the 3 scopes I was already considering, the Nikon Buckmaster, the Burris Fullfield, and the Leupold Rifleman (all in 3-9X40)
 
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if you are looking at the savage, also take a look at the stevens 200. it is a really good rifle for $278 @ walmart, but the stock is terrible. i recently bought one and did a cheapo "upgrade" on it and it is a very respectable tackdriver(all for less then $400). i bought a model 200 in .223, glass bedded the action/recoil lug (it is already piller bedded. I sanded down that hidious stock and painted it camo green and the barrel desert tan. After my first outing w/ a 3-9 leuapold i decided the stock was too flimsy so i took a piece of threaded rod, cut a channel in the stock and glass-bedded it in and filled the for-end in. then i played w/ the trigger a lil bit and took about half a pound out of it just by turning a tension screw. i also filled the synthetic stock w/ "great stuff" foam because i hate that hollow sound when i tap on it. i needed that scope back for another rifle so i put a 8-32x40 bsa contender on it and a cheap bi-pod. it is an excellent and inexpensive rifle (also its pretty heavy, which doesn't bother me a bit). w/ cheapo remington umc 55 grainers i can hover around the 1.5-1.75 w/ out a problem, with many much tighter. w/ better ammo i can break the 1" 5 shot standard (okay, not everytime like those gun-writers, but i can do it...lol). i have found that anything lighter then 55 gr sucks in this rifle (45 gr hollow point dont even group). im really happy w/ this rifle and i own one in .308 and .300 and they serve well as my truck/beater bolt guns. as i understand it the savage model 200 is essentially the old savage model 110 (i think i have the model correct, but i could be wrong)
anyway, you can't go wrong w/ a savage, but the stevens is a slighty less expensive route to essentially the same product.
 
steve635, the Burris Fullfield II would be my choice of the three scopes you mentioned. The Burris FFII and the Nikon Buckmaster both have superior optics to the Leupold Rifleman.
 
+1 for the Mosins. I've got a 91/30, an M44, and each was under $100. Ammo is cheap and parts are readily available to turn one into a nice scoped hunting rifle.

In my opinion any decent Mil-Surp rifle can be used for hunting and shooting up to 300 yards since they were made in a time before intermediate calibers.
 
I see lots of folks around here saying that 308 is getting more and more expensive...and it is.

However, compare it to say a box of 20 270 Winchester? Or mebbe a box of 7mm Mag?

I have seen boxes of 30-30 more expensive than the base line 308 in Winchester Grey or Remy Green.

Plus he isn't feeding a SLR like a FAL or AR-10. A bolt rifle has a bit less of an appetite. :)

If you want a solid hunting round that has plenty of harvesting power then go with that 308 Savage. The accutrigger is wunderbar and you won't regret it.

Also ment to add...Leupy's are excellent scopes...but don't forget Nikon!

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I have a Savage 110 in .270 and its a tack driver. It does its part very well as long as I do mine.

For scopes, I just picked up 2 Leupold VX-I 3-9X40 scopes and they are on top of both of my AR's. So far, they appear to be a great choice and I you can get them just about anywhere for $220.00.

I just picked up a Remmie 700 in .308 and I plan to get yet another VX-I to put on it also.

Good luck!
 
aguyindallas, you might want to consider a Sightron SII or Burris Fullfield II scope for that Remington 700 instead of the Leupold VXI. Both the sightron SII and Burris Fullfield will give you better optics for the same $$ or less. I compared my Leupold VXII side by side with my daughter's Burris Fullfield II and discovered to my dismay that the Burris I had bought for $165 was optically the equal of the $300 Leupold, and the Burris had better, more positive adjustments to boot! I sold the Leupold shortly thereafter and replaced it with a Zeiss Conquest.
 
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