cowboy77
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My first was with a Remington 338 Ultra Mag. My next will be it’s the Tikka 6.5 cm. Got tired of the weight and the beating. Old shoulders feel it more now.
Remington MDT vs Ruger Precision Rifle
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Varminterror
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A 140grn 6.5mm pill has a considerably higher sectional density than a 165grn 308win load (even ~5% greater SD than a 180grn 308), and hits with greater energy downrange (swapping nickels at short range), and higher impact velocity to elicit expansion. Things to factor into your logic which you may not be appropriately considering this far.
I’m no fan of the 6.5 creed, but physics are pretty straight forward. A guy can want to not like it all they want, but there’s not much sense in lying to yourself about the performance just to justify buying something less effective. The 6.5 creed is superior to the 308win for all of the reasons the 7-08 has been for 40 years - better utilization of the case capacity with a smaller diameter, higher sectional density, better penetrating bullet. But the 7-08 isn’t as readily available as 6.5 creed, in ammo or rifles.
Flatbush Harry
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If you're thinkiing of both hunting and long-range precision shooting, I recommend the Bergara B-14 HMR (Hunting Match Rifle). It has a receiver designed with a Remington profile, a very accurate match barrel threaded to accept a brake or suppressor, a stock with an adjustable cheek piece, and bottom metal that accepts AICS magazines. It also came with a Warne 20 MOA Picatinny rail and screws and will accept any Rem 700 scope bases if you prefer. Mine is a 6.5 Creedmor that produces 1-hole 3-shot groups at 100 yards when I sighted it in.
The 6.5 CM is the ballistic equivalent of the 6.5x55 Swede which the Swedes and Norwegians have been using on game up to moose for more than 120 years (with the right bullets...the original loads used a 160 gr. RN bullet. I'd trust a 140 gr Nosler AccuBond for hunting but prefer 139 gr Lapua Scenars or 142 gr SMKs or 143 gr Hornady ELDs for precision shooting. I've seen great long range accuracy with 130 gr Hornady Precision Hunter ammo out of a .270 Win Winchester M70 hunting rifle that was used to make a 1,450 yard target shot this past summer. I wouldn't rule out the .308 Win...I've made 1,250 yard shots with FGMM 175 gr factory ammo from my AI AT and I'd trust Federal Premium hunting ammo with Barnes, Sierra, Nosler or Federal's Trophy Bonded Tip bullets. I've used Federal Premium .308 Win ammo in my Ruger M77RSI with very satisfactory results on Muleys and one Elk.
In all, it ain't the arrows, Tonto, it's the shooter, accurately measuring distance and making good wind calls.
The 6.5 CM is the ballistic equivalent of the 6.5x55 Swede which the Swedes and Norwegians have been using on game up to moose for more than 120 years (with the right bullets...the original loads used a 160 gr. RN bullet. I'd trust a 140 gr Nosler AccuBond for hunting but prefer 139 gr Lapua Scenars or 142 gr SMKs or 143 gr Hornady ELDs for precision shooting. I've seen great long range accuracy with 130 gr Hornady Precision Hunter ammo out of a .270 Win Winchester M70 hunting rifle that was used to make a 1,450 yard target shot this past summer. I wouldn't rule out the .308 Win...I've made 1,250 yard shots with FGMM 175 gr factory ammo from my AI AT and I'd trust Federal Premium hunting ammo with Barnes, Sierra, Nosler or Federal's Trophy Bonded Tip bullets. I've used Federal Premium .308 Win ammo in my Ruger M77RSI with very satisfactory results on Muleys and one Elk.
In all, it ain't the arrows, Tonto, it's the shooter, accurately measuring distance and making good wind calls.
George Dickel
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My $.02 and that's all its worth is that precision rifles are designed to do one thing, shoot accurately at long range which requires a heavy barrel, a light pull trigger, and a stock designed for that purpose. This makes a terrible rifle for hunting where weight and a stock designed for that use is required for optimal performance. Anything in between will not give the best performance in either activity. If you want to be competitive in long distance shooting you will need a rifle designed for that purpose otherwise you will be wasting your time and money and will be disappointed in the results. It sounds like you already have rifles that will serve the hunting you want to do, build a good quality long range rifle.
I want to rifle that will be superior to my Tikka T3 Lite 4 Long Range Hunting when I want Shots Out Beyond 300 yards. So it seems like something like that bergara b14 HMR would be close to Ideal. I do Not want
A rifle dedicated to target shooting that seems pointless to me I wouldn't waste the money. At the end of the day I am the hunter first. What I want is something that will help me develop accuracy with significant killing power past 500 yards. Could the Ruger rpr serve that purpose. I want a rifle that is highly shootable that Ican train and train and train on and then kill with between 300 and 1000 yards. I already know have bought a 300 Win Mag Remington MDT long range. Got it at a pawn shop in excellent shape for $1,400. They sell new for 2300 so no matter what I did good. but this is not the gun I'm going to train and train and train on. So I'm looking for a 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor or something with those capabilities that can put kill shots on large game and deer at the 600 yard mark, and dissuade man-sized Invaders from coming to take my house and guns should that ever become an issue.
A rifle dedicated to target shooting that seems pointless to me I wouldn't waste the money. At the end of the day I am the hunter first. What I want is something that will help me develop accuracy with significant killing power past 500 yards. Could the Ruger rpr serve that purpose. I want a rifle that is highly shootable that Ican train and train and train on and then kill with between 300 and 1000 yards. I already know have bought a 300 Win Mag Remington MDT long range. Got it at a pawn shop in excellent shape for $1,400. They sell new for 2300 so no matter what I did good. but this is not the gun I'm going to train and train and train on. So I'm looking for a 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor or something with those capabilities that can put kill shots on large game and deer at the 600 yard mark, and dissuade man-sized Invaders from coming to take my house and guns should that ever become an issue.
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