Remington MDT vs Ruger Precision Rifle

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I'm getting long-range precision rifle, leaning towards Ruger precision rifle or Remington MDT. Considering Ruger Hawkeye Long Range.Most likely in 300 Win Mag as I want a heavy-hitting round, but not 338 Lapua that's going to cost upwards of $2 a shot. Also considering either rifle in 308 or Both 308 & 300WM. I shoot a lot of 308 and 300 Win Mag already. I do Not want another caliber. I already have standard hunting rifles in these calibers. Tikka T3 Lite 308 and Browning A-Bolt 300 Win Mag with adjustable muzzle brake. Have killed many deer with both. Neither has any recoil that bothers me.

can get 300 Win Mag of either variety for same price: Remington MDT would be lightly used while equivalent price Ruger precision rifle in 300 Win Mag would be brand new both for about $1475. Hawkeye Long Range new for $1000. 308 I'm leaning strongly towards RPR, or possibly Savage 10 Ashbury precision, but prefer 20 inch barrel on the Ruger.
What are your thoughts?
 
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Long range meaning 500 - 1000 yrds. Not just for targets. For man to elk sized targets.

Also to the member who replied simply "Ruger" why Ruger?
 
Skip the 300wm for your use.

Most here would say the chassis type rifles aren’t suitable for hunting.

500-1000yrds isn’t asking much. The 6.5 creed version will deliver what you need down range, and will be significantly cheaper to feed.
 
I have zero experience with the Precision rifle, but have owned, or shot several of the Predator versions of that rifle. Same basic rifle with a more conventional stock and they are very accurate for the money. There is no reason the Precision rifle would be any less. If you actually plan to hunt with it I think the chassis stock is more trouble than its worth. It's a 15 lb rifle before you add optics. Not what I want to carry at 10,000' elk hunting. Personally I'd by the Predator or magnum version for about 1/3 the money.

I've completely given up on Remington. If you like the Remington platform I'd be looking at the Bergara or Weatherby Vanguard offerings. The Bergara is basically a clone that improves on the 700 designs shortcomings. Stocks and most, if not all accessories will interchange. The Vanguard isn't an exact clone, but is similar, and I think a better design for a target rifle. They tend to be heavier than I like for a hunting rifle.

This version of the Bergara is still heavy, but a more manageable 10 lbs.

https://www.bergara.online/us/rifles/b14/hmr-rifle/

The hunting version is just over 7 lbs. My 6.5CM is the B14 Hunter.

https://www.bergara.online/us/rifles/b14/hunter-rifle/

If you can live with 308, 7-08, 260, or 6.5CM this is actually my favorite and would be my choice for a combination hunting/long range target rifle. Street price is about $1000 and my 308 weighs under 9 lbs with scope and mounts. It is the most accurate rifle I've ever shot. The 10 round replacement magazines are pricey at close to $100 in most places, but I found one for $70ish.

https://www.tikka.fi/rifles/tikka-t3x/t3x-compact-tactical-rifle

If you really want to shoot elk at ranges of 500-700 yards the 300 or 338 is what you need. One of my wife's brother has a 338 and has taken deer and elk at 700 with it. But if you will limit shots to 400ish, maybe a bit more any of the other cartridges listed above will do the job. As a target round the 308 starts running out of gas at about 800 yards and 1000 is the outer limits as a target round. There are much better options past 700 than 308. The 6.5 CM will do anything at 1000 yards the 300 WM will do if you're punching paper or shooting at steel targets. With about 1/3 the recoil and cost. It is still a viable elk cartridge, just not at extreme ranges.
 
Thanks. Good ideas. I am Only considering 300 WM and or 308 exclusively. So what are best option s in just those 2 calbers. Currently I am learning towards Ruger's Hawkeye Long Range, or Ruger Precision Rifle or maybe the Hawkeye in 300 wm and the RPR in 308
 
The 300win mag in the Hawkeye makes -by far - the most sense for your tasks.

If you’re pigeon-holing yourself into those two cartridges in these two rifles for the tasks you’re after, I’d warn you to expect to be disappointed.
 
Well we all have read of out of the box issues with the Ruger.....you say Remington is used....any chance you can shoot it? If you can and if you are happy with it I know what I would pick.

If I was to buy a new Ruger, I would go in with the known fact that there is a chance it will need to go back to fix something that should have been fixed before it ever saw the inside of the box.

If you can't shoot it, then with new you know your grubby little fingers are the first ones to fool with it......used you don't know....used you also don't know how well it was taken care of.....all the normal stuff with buying anything used....be it a gun or swing set.
 
as others have said, the 300wm is probably not the best way to learn long range shooting. its great for killing things but it is expensive to shoot, burns through barrels, and kicks the crap out of you when you shoot it. you can shoot them very well, but it will exploit every error you make and punish you along the way. you probably won't want to take a 300wm and shoot 60 or 100 rds in a day.

a 6.5cm or 308 with a muzzle device is much more enjoyable.

here is my vote:

https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/ashbury-precision-ordnance-snipers-hide-edition-rifle.6924480/

the ashbury precision ordinace snipers hide rifle.

APO takes a remington 700 in a 308 or 6.5cm and does some accessorizing and extra QC on the action, including test shooting the barrel/action, if it doesnt shoot well, they reject it. they then strip it down, put it in their chassis with a trigger tech trigger, thread the muzzle etc.

the chassis is a $1000 chassis and is highly configurable. the rem 700 is one of the most common actions and most smiths can chamber a barrel or work on it. the issues with remington qc and the potential of a lemon rifle is avoided and you get a very good chassis/trigger out of the deal.

it is a great entry level rifle, base price is $1950 and you have more options to up the quality from there, including other calibers/barrels etc.
https://www.ashburyprecisionordnance.net/sh-rifle-config-tool
 
I don't like the MTD chassis, it ugly and that inclosed bolt/bolt-handle is a pain in the but. The hand-guard is propitiatory and not even Rem-Defense propitiatory. If money was no issue I would find a XM2010 chassis and put the long action of choice into that, but those are very expensive new and hard to find used.

If your going short action I would probably go with a short action 700 in the Magpul stock or depending on budget and use the new Remington PCR looks like a decent intro level chassis gun.
 
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I don't like the MTD chassis, it ugly and that inclosed bolt/bolt-handle is a pain in the but. The hand-guard is propitiatory and not even Rem-Defense propitiatory. If money was no issue I would find a XM2010 chassis and put the long action of choice into that, but those are very expensive new and hard to find used.

If your going short action I would probably go with a short action 700 in the Magpul stock or depending on budget and use the new Remington PCR looks like a decent intro level chassis gun.
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IMHO all that tacticool garbage is ugly.
 
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IMHO all that tacticool garbage is ugly.
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No way the Remington RACS chassis make a sweet looking chassis gun. Get the newer (still old) Light Weight RACS version that takes the Long Action XM2010 chassis and put the Remington's PSR skeletonized stock on it and its an awesome chassis rifle.

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They make it for short action to used in the M40A6. Just a bit too rich for my blood though $3999.99 for just the long action chassis at Europtics.
 
I'm not locked into just these 3 guns, but do not want another caliber, I already have too many. So just 300 WM or 308 or both.
And Yes, price IS a factor: $1500 is Absolute Max in 300 WM, and $1200 Max in 308.
 
Tikka CTR in 308.

it will be accurate and not too heavy for hunting and is perfectly capable of growing to meet future needs.
 
If you are going for accuracy I would go Remington of those rifles, based on reviews. But I would also look at Bergara or Tikka.
 
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Tikka CTR in 308.

it will be accurate and not too heavy for hunting and is perfectly capable of growing to meet future needs.
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This, in fact you should buy mine, I don't care for the .308, but mine has been so accurate I haven't been able to bring myself to trade it off.
 
@Huntolive - Have you been shooting your 308win or 300wm at 600-1000 yards?

I don’t want any more shoes in my closet, but if I wanted to start playing football, you might imagine I’d need to buy a pair of cleats.
 
It’s not that the 300wm can’t do good work at 1,000 yards, it’s that it’s too much for 1,000 yards. I have a practice ELR rig in 300wm, 1:9” with a 31” tube. It almost never shoots any closer than 1200, usually 1500-2000.

You’ll spend twice as much, handle far more recoil than necessary, carry a heavier rifle than necessary, and won’t learn as much from your sessions by shooting a 300wm at 600-1,000 as you could with something else.

Not many people actually want a 6.5 creedmoor, but a lot of people doing what you are wanting to do are benefited by using one. I have two and found them to be incredibly dissatisfying, so I strongly favor the 6 Creedmoor, or better still, 6 Dasher. Mostly my 6.5’s hold down my safe until some new shooter comes to learn and doesn’t have a rifle, because I don’t like to loan out my 6 creeds - barrel life is too short. The 308win would be a better choice for learning long range shooting than the 300win mag, for all of the same reasons listed above, but the 6.5 is better still for recoil reduction and spotting your own impacts/misses in the optic, and will hit your man sized targets harder at 1000 - and more often.

You can try to sit on a high horse and thumb your nose at 6.5 creedmoor fanboi’s, and most of the mindless fools do deserve it. But you’d be cutting off your nose to spite your face to pretend a 300win mag is really a better choice for 600-1000yrd work.
 
Verminterror makes a good case for the 6.5. I listened by reading lots of posts right HERE and have two 6.5's. One for hunting and one for long range. I still got a 300 Win Mag. Just got it a few weeks ago. I too had a thread about the 700 or the Ruger. I very much liked the Ruger and was leaning that way when I posted. Then I heard from my friend at Remington that some test gear for the 700 had been shipped to Alabama. Also a poster suggested supporting local. My grand dad and my uncle both retired from the arms. I was born there. So I went the 700 route because it is made locally.

Why the 300 win mag for me? I choose it because I wanted a magnum. If I ever wanted to hunt out west or other places I would already have something that would reach out. Target orientated yes. Would I be able to take that hunting, not unless I grew giant muscles and lost 20 years of age. Heavy is the word. But its a way to test my long range shooting and gain familiarity with another cartridge. I figured it could help get rid of some excess powder that I have and I could always load it on the lower end if needed.

Now for the choice. The OP has some good choices outlined. You could almost flip a coin to decide and not make a bad one. I know I could.
 
Thanks guys, and Wily Coyote guy makes point; in my own research I see why 6.5 could work, but really detest getting another caliber, but really, Why not?

However, I am doubting 6.5 could take Elk as well as 308. Yes, I get the shot placement argument, but I am not very recoil; sensitive, My 1st hunting rifle was 300wm, then switched to 308 and Savage 220 slug gun. Also shoot 454 casul.

Yes I see why 308 or 6.5 make more sense for Practicing long range.

I'm starting to lean towards something like the Bergara 14HMR or Ruger LRT, but want a caliber that will take big animals down . I'm willing to consider 6.5
 
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Huntolive said:
Thanks guys, and the Wily Coyote guy makes, point; in my own research I see why 6.5 could work, but really detest getting another caliber, but really, Why not?

However, I am doubting 6.5 could take Elk as well as 308. Yes, I get the shot placement argument, but I am not very recoil; sensitive, My 1st hunting rifle was 300wm, then switched to 308 and Savage 220 slug gun. Also shoot 454 casul.

Yes I see why 308 or 6.5 make more sense for Practicing long range.

I'm starting to lean towards something like the Bergara 14HMR or Ruger LRT, but want a caliber that will know big animals down . I'm willing to consider 6.5
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A 308 win out to about 500 yds has more energy on target than a 6.5, but i’d Wager that no elk is gonna notice the difference between a 140 grain bullet through both lungs vs a 180 grain through the lungs

At that distance, an accurate range and wind call are both very important regardless of caliber from 223 rem to 300 Norma mag -it’s possible and could be ethical, but it’s not “hold high on the shoulder and you should be good”

There are so many good rifles out there that if you find one you like you shouldn’t be disappointed, most of the rifles you are considering should hold a 1” group at 100yds with good ammo,

And I’ve seen elk take a 30-06 round to the chest and walk it off, or 2 308 rounds to the chest and walk away like they were not hurt only to collapse just over the ridge,

a 338wm might “knock them down” but it ain’t fun to shoot
 
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