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Hey. I'm 18 and I live in CT. What are firearms laws/prices/ammunition prices for the following?

Remington 700, preferably in .300 (I'd prefer an M-24...)
MP5 - legal?
G36 - legal?
1911
Mossberg 500
AK47
M16 (or nerfed civilian equivalent)
MP40
Thompson
Mauser 98
(The bottom 3 are more for fun - I'm a history buff)
Also, what's a good home defense weapon?

Note:
A. I'm a n00b. I didn't grow up in a gun-owning family, but as a college student, I'm well-aware of why it's important to carry; people seem to ignore the "gun free zone" laws (Cho rly?)
B. This list is just a wish list. It's meant to be a lifetime of gun collecting, not all at once. I have college to pay for :barf:
C. Budget is a bit of an issue, but, like I said, I'm planning on building this collection slowly, over the next 10+ years.

Thanks for any feedback, and sorry if I posted this in the wrong forum.
 
Remington 700, preferably in .300 (I'd prefer an M-24...): Anywhere from $500 or so for a low grade version to multiple thousands for a high grade version. Just depends on what you're going to do with it.
MP5 - legal? I don't know if there are any non-NFA mp5's available, and the NFA versions (NFA meaning they're full auto, hence regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934) will cost you quite literally tens of thousands of $$$.
G36 - legal? As far as I know, HK has never sold these to civilians. Because we suck, and they hate us.
1911 $400-$2000, again depending on quality/manufacturer.
Mossberg 500 Last I checked they were selling for $200-250.
AK47 You won't find a true AK-47 for anything less than $10,000 (another NFA item). There are plenty of semi-auto clones out there, though. I believe they cost around $200-300+, depending on quality and manufacturer.
M16 (or nerfed civilian equivalent) M16 is another NFA item. There are plenty of civilian clones out there, though, called AR-15s, and they range from $800 and up. Occasionally you can find some for as low as $600 or so.
MP40 I have no idea.
Thompson NFA thompsons are again extremely expensive. However, I think Auto Ordinance sells semi-auto replicas for around $1000, IIRC.
Mauser 98 I've never priced them, but since they're fairly plentiful on the surplus market, I'm guessing you could get a good one for less than $500.

For home defense, your best bet is a shotgun. The Mossberg 500 would work fine for that. You should also look into Remington 870's. Cost a little more than a Mossberg, but they're built a little solider. Either works fine.

You should also know you can't buy a pistol from an FFL dealer if your under 21. Some states allow 18 year olds to buy and possess pistols from private sellers, however others don't. You'll need to check all of your state firearm laws before deciding to buy something, and I think CT's are harsher than most.
 
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Wow thanks much for the quick reply. Sucks that all these guns are hyper-regulated...:banghead:

And yeah the 1911 is a pain in the ass to get your hands on in CT because all handguns are dangerous, always. (See Jeanne Assam for more details on why they're so terrible).

Basically I'd like a medium-high quality version of any gun I'm looking at. Also, the 870 looks like a nice buy. Does it come in 16 ga? I liked the handling on the one 20 ga shotgun I played with (got more clay pigeons with that one than with the 12 ga; it felt like a cannon).

And would the Mauser 98 be in working order? (I don't want an antique necessarily, just a fun gun to go target shooting with)

How much are Springfield 1903s (working order, non-antique)?

What country allows you to get G36s? Can I move there?:cool:

Also, how do I quote? :p (I haven't been on this type of forum in a while)
 
Also, the 870 looks like a nice buy. Does it come in 16 ga?
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I don't think so. There may have been some special runs in the past, but not any more.

There are ways to mitigate recoil in a 12 gauge, but a 20 gauge is nothing to sneeze at. Plenty of people use 20 gauge for HD, both because it recoils less and because it still has power. 00 buck in 20 gauge is not something anyone one wants to stand in front of.

And would the Mauser 98 be in working order? (I don't want an antique necessarily, just a fun gun to go target shooting with)
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Depends on the individual gun your looking at. Unless someone's trying to rip you off, it should be in working order, but they are military surplus, and some are in better condition than others. Biggest thing is to make sure the bore is rust free with no pitting from previous coats of rust. Ammunition may be somewhat difficult to find as well. Someone (probably in the rifle section) who is into milsurps could probably tell you more.

How much are Springfield 1903s (working order, non-antique)?
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I don't know that anyone makes 1903's, so I'm fairly certain they'd all be antiques. IIRC the surplus market on them has somewhat dried up, so they're not going to be cheap. I couldn't give you an exact price, though, as I don't have any experience with them. Most, unless abused, will be in working order, though I've heard that some of the earlier ones can't take full house .30-06 loads.

What country allows you to get G36s? Can I move there?
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Sorry, far as I know getting a G36 if you aren't military/police is nigh on impossible, regardless of country. HK could sell civilian versions of them in the US if they wanted to (they'd just have to be built here instead of in Germany and be semi-auto instead of full auto), but they don't.

Also, how do I quote? :p (I haven't been on this type of forum in a while)
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Cut + paste and the
tags. I think there is another way, but I don't use it.
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For quotes, cut and paste that which you want to quote into the message box, highlight it, then click on the cartoon-style speech balloon at the end of the row above the message box.
 
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What country allows you to get G36s? Can I move there?
Sorry, far as I know getting a G36 if you aren't military/police is nigh on impossible, regardless of country. HK could sell civilian versions of them in the US if they wanted to (they'd just have to be built here instead of in Germany and be semi-auto instead of full auto), but they don't.
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So where's the closest military base with G36s? :p (kidding Mr. Partyvan)

I think I might go with the 20 ga then, since I'd want my 10 y/o brother to be able to point & squeeze if the stuff hit the fan.
 
What country allows you to get G36s? Can I move there?
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Luxembourg :D But H&K won't sell them to us civilians.

If you really like that rifle and you have a lot of money sometime in the future, you can have an H&K SL-8 converted to be pretty much like a semi-auto G36. I don't know who does it in the US (but I'm sure there are a few smiths who are skilled enough) but there are some German gunsmiths who have done it, so it is possible.

There is also a German company that makes new MP40, Stgw44 and FG42 rifles (all semi-auto of course). I'm not sure they are available in the US, though. The Thompson is available in semi-auto too.


http://www.ssd-weapon.com/produkte/produkte.htm

Site is in German...;)
 
you can get a semi-auto G36 in Belgium too :p
and I happen to live there ^^

you need to be friends with the HK importer to get it done though, as he (the armourer) needs to convert it to semi-only
 
My advice would be to pick up a 12 gauge first, and have a ton of fun with it for not too much $$.

Serves 3 purposes as per your statements - fun home defense that adds to your collection.
 
you can get a semi-auto G36 in Belgium too
and I happen to live there ^^

you need to be friends with the HK importer to get it done though, as he (the armourer) needs to convert it to semi-only
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Is that true??? I think I know some people who would be interested (including me, but I don't have the funds:()...Never heard about that.
 
He's the police armourer for many dept.s and the importer for HK in Belgium.
I know him quite well, he's a nice guy and he can get something done if you want it (nothing illegal :p).

Price is 1600-2000€ I think.

I know this, because I asked: I want one too ^^

if you're from luxemburg, you know Hunting Sport ?
I get most of my reloading components there
 
Living in CT is going to make it a little harder to get the semi auto clones of assault rifles due to the "Assault weapon" ban CT has in place. IIRC, there are no restrictions on magazine sizes.

In order to get a handgun you'll need a permit, here's a link with all the info you need.
 
Ultrachimp said:
Remington 700, preferably in .300 (I'd prefer an M-24...)
MP5 - legal?
G36 - legal?
1911
Mossberg 500
AK47
M16 (or nerfed civilian equivalent)
MP40
Thompson
Mauser 98
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If you are 18, you can buy any "non-assault weapon" long gun from a licensed ffl WITHOUT A PISTOL PERMIT. There is a 2 week wait involved.

There are two AW bans in CT - one that lists offending models by name only, and the second by a combination of features (flash hider, pistol grip, hi-cap mag, folding stock, etc).

(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: http://www.ct.gov/dps/lib/dps/special_licensing_and_firearms/assault_weapons.pdf
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Now, perversley enough, AWB I only outlaws SELECT FIRE WEAPONS. So, MACHINE GUNS OF *ANY MAKE* THAT ARE FULL-AUTO ONLY (i.e., no single shot function) ARE PERFECTLY LEGAL TO OWN IN CT.

So yes, people 21 and over in CT purchase and own and shoot MP-5's, AK-47's, M-16's, MP40's, and Thompson SMG's THAT HAVE BEEN REGISTERED WITH ATF PRIOR TO MAY 1986 (Federal ban on new MG registrations after 5/86). CT imposes its own annual machine gun registration - you need to mail in a form with the make, model, and s/n of your machine gun by 6/30 of every year or you risk felony arrest.

Legally registered machine guns are obscenely expensive. Most MP-5's are in the $20,000 range. An M-16? $10-15K. Collector grade Thompson's? Fuhgedabouddit.

To purchase handguns that are not on the proscribed assault weapons list, you need a pistol permit. You must be 21 to get your pistol permit. So you have a bit of a wait ahead of you.

So at present, you can buy any rifle with a wait. Yes, there are semi-auto versions of the AR-15 and AK-47's that are legal to own in CT.
 
Slowdown Cowboy! You've got your whole life ahead of you. First, make your goal to get out of Ct. and go where you can own some guns. Like South Carolina! First thing I would "invest" in is the AR-15, even if it is the lower receiver. That way you would have the part that you won't be able to buy one day. I still feel that the end is near for the AR-15, and I won't part with mine for anything, but maybe another.:D But then again, you're in CT. So time to look for another toy. Don't waste your time on wanting all the Rambo full autos. The look cool, sound cool, and have the macho factor built into them. But, expensive. Anywhere from $4000 upwards and above $20,000 for some models. They're like ocean front property. They just 'aint making anymore for us to own. Besides, they're expensive to feed. :what:
Ahhhh, the 1911. Now there's a gun for a noob to get excited about. I've been a gun nut all my life and I still get excited about a pretty Colt 1911 or 1911A1, or 1991A1 or what ever Colt wants to call them these days. I have no less than 5, two original untouched but well worn WWII Colts that came from two friends. One carried it while in the US Army, the other was carried by his Father as an MP after WWII in Germany. Gold Cup, XSE and a Lightweight Enhanced Officers ACP.
I say go for a 1911 and a shotgun your comfortable with first, then expand from there. I bet within 3 years your tastes will change, and you will see something else you cannot live without. Example, I never cared for the old west guns until two years ago. Now I have a Ruger Vaquero, Side by side 12 ga. with hammers, and a Uberti 1866 Winchester clone in .45LC Never thought I'd be "into" those guns, but they are fun. Just take your time, do a LOT of reading, and everything you can to support the 2nd amendment.
BTW, welcome to The High Road!
 
My $.02

Buy the shotgun for HD first- solid investment can be used to hunt, shoot clays, etc..

Next buy a .22 rifle for fun and to develope good shooting skills should fill the need of your Mauser-Marlin Model 60 is a great choice

Next if you want a cheaper fun gun with more power buy a Mosin Nagant 44 or 91/30-7.62x54

You can buy the sidearm any time you want but I would stick with a 1911 or Glock which are solid choices.
 
On the pistol front, particularily if you want to hit the sweet spot on reliability, solid build AND reasonable cost, you'll be hard pushed to better the CZ-75 range.
 
First select fire weapons are illegal in CT it has to be full auto only but prices are fun te read:

Remington 700, preferably in .300 (I'd prefer an M-24...) 700 is around 800.00 M-24 go for 3,000.00 on open market
MP5 - legal? Nope, they go for about 16,000.00
G36 - legal? Nope, the semi SL8 is 1500.00 and I know of kits you can buy to make it look like one unknown legality for there though
1911, depends on maker need to be 21 to buy from dealer
Mossberg 500 I have a 500 mariner cost 400.00 highly recommend
AK47, Nope only 6(?) actual AK on the registry rest are converted those go for around 15,000.00
M16 (or nerfed civilian equivalent) depends on maker FA M16 are around 15,000.00 though
MP40, Nope select fire 20,000.00
Thompson, Nope but they have a cut off that can make it CT legal though however under 21 so cut off there but the FA's go for 20,000.00 semi 1,200.00
Mauser 98 Yes, around 500 assuming you have no priors or warrants this is do-able
(The bottom 3 are more for fun - I'm a history buff)
Also, what's a good home defense weapon-----Mossberg 500
 
Remington 700, preferably in .300 (I'd prefer an M-24...)
MP5 - legal?
G36 - legal?
1911
Mossberg 500
AK47
M16 (or nerfed civilian equivalent)
MP40
Thompson
Mauser 98
(The bottom 3 are more for fun - I'm a history buff)
Also, what's a good home defense weapon?
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Rem 500's go for around 700 for a good one to start off with

MP5's and clones of them Are available in Simi-Auto but have to be registered as Short Barreled Rifles (HK ones are Rare & Expensive).

There are No Actual Simi-auto G36's, but Plenty of SL-8 Conversions for well over $2K each

Thompson: Sportsman's Warehouse has them in Simi-auto for about $1500

M16: $18,000.00+ for a Transferable Form 4 Lower(based on recent prices seen), or you could go get a Bushmaster AR15 for around $800-$1500.

For a Pistol for a Newbie I would suggest something low cost and easy to maintain like a Glock or Springfield XD, if you have to have a 1911 look at Para-Ordnance 1911's they run about $600 on average.
 
Check out GunsAmerica, Gun Broker and Subguns.com they are up to date on the going rate on firearms. Don't just get one price for the one gun, get three or 4 prices and average them. It will give you a better ballpark of the price.

Unless there is only one of them, and then simple economics of supply and demand comes into play and the sky is the limit.
 
Go to a sporting goods store, get a .22 to start. Take a safety course. When you're at the range, ask other people shooting about the firearms they're using.

Then buy a Mosin. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat...
 
I've gotten the Boy Scout Rifle shooting merit badge, so I know a little bit about gun safety. You're not supposed to point it at people while it's loaded with the safety off and your finger on the trigger, right? Or is that ok?

Also, it's ok to shoot near people with shotguns, right? I mean just to scare them. A near miss is best, right?

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Ok, I've decided on buying the shotgun then. Probably the Remmington, since people seem to like it.

Anyone from southern CT here that knows where a good shotgun range is? Or do I not need one? The only place I've shot shotguns was in upstate New York (the good part) and that was in one of my teacher's dad's fields. (Yeah, my teacher is pretty much the coolest guy ever:neener:)

Also, how much is a tacticool conversion of a 500 - like I know I'm looking at extra for that - how much extra? Can I get an extended magazine easily? It'd be nice, before they get outlawed (at least for law-abiding citizens) by the fools in Washington. And how much are 12 ga shells? (Basically, what's the total price tag?)

Does the NRA have student discounts? I want to join, but I'm not incredibly rich. I saw "junior memberships" on their site. Basically, I don't want the magazines so much...although it's be nice to get 'em here at college for a dose of sanity.

Also, thanks for all the help everybody. Are these mosins like the smaller OPFOR sniper rifle on America's Army? (I played it ~2 years ago.) I remember them looking ugly. I want pretty guns; I was making an exception for the AK because it's reliable as anything.
 
Hey!

Can't believe no one has mentioned the CMP yet!

How much are Springfield 1903s (working order, non-antique)?
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A 1903 or 1903A3 at a gun show or dealer will cost between $800 and $1500 (and on up) depending on condition and provenance. They are antiques, but they are also awesome shooters.

Check out www.odcmp.com. Look under "Sales" then "Rifle Sales." By meeting a few very broad criteria you can purchase surplus rifles from the government. The supplies have been running hot and cold recently, but you can get M1 Garands and M1 Carbines now, and occasionally 1903s, 1903A3s, and 1917s, as well as some trainer .22s and such. Oh, and AMMO!

I picked up a beautiful and wonderfully accurate 1903A3 earlier this year for $500.

While most gun purchases can be put on the wish list for "someday" without risk, the CMP will, someday, run out of rifles. They are re-importing many that we had given to our allies decades ago and selling them, and they do receive a slow trickle of (especially bolt action) rifles from the VFWs and such around the country who've used them as parade rifles and at funerals since WWII. Once those stocks are gone, that's it. And some very well may be gone already. M1917s are a good example. They keep the listing up, with the notice that they inspect and sell a batch every time they collect 200 of them. The last time they had 200 was two years ago now.

The CMP is an amazing opportunity. We'll all be telling our grandkids that we remember the days...!
 
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