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I was simply pointing out the ongoing hypocrisy. A person who consumes a beer during a shoot is a "bubba," but a person who drives after doing so is socially acceptable.
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The term "bubba" has more to do with being backwards than it does intelligence. How do you know what life experience I have on the subject?
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I've been to these events to see what all the commotion was about. It's nothing but an excuse for bubba and his buddies to drink beer and BS,
Cars? Yes I do. No doubt about it.
Have I driven home after consuming some booze? Yes I have.
Okay, so you're admitting to being a bubba?
You argue like a PETA activist. Insult, make bad comparisons, weasel out of statements be debating the meaning of the word "is." You allege that the ONLY purpose is for people to get drunk FIRST and THEN shoot, and ONLY for pleasure.
It's like a Puritan arguing against dancing because someone might enjoy it, or a LLL arguing that we should be in Zimbabwe instead of Iraq because then there'd be no profit and somehow the fight would be purer.
So it's my opinion that animals experience panic, anxiety or fear? Rightie-o then.
Another attempt to weasel. Sure they do. And they do so in the slaughter yard AT LEAST as much, and on the chopping block ABOUT as much. So accepting that statement makes no difference to the argument, which was that putting the animals in that state is wrong. You didn't answer me before, probably because you can't. Are you going to give up slaughteryard killed animals? It's not extreme and I won't mock you--Ted Nugent holds that position. The question is, will you live by your own standards, or are they only for certain people doing certain things?
No, it's your opinion that that's ACCEPTABLE for the slaughterhouse but not for a turkey shoot. That it's cruel and inhumane as opposed to a slaughter yard. That's it's more cruel than an axe. You've even frighteningly accurately paraphrased PETA's quotes on the subject of hunting.
There are legitimate arguments to be made against turkey shoots. I've heard several. Yours aren't.
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As has been noted several times, the emotional cries about feelings and emotion apply EQUALLY to animals in a slaughteryard. If you oppose one on moral grounds, you must oppose the other. The animal is coralled, prodded, restrained and killed amidst noise, confusion and the smell of death.
The difference is, slaughterhouses don't do it for fun.
Ah, so ENJOYMENT is the problem. So if I'm all emo and angsty it would make a difference? You're really failing to make a coherent argument here.
Read back to where I said that if there are no other viable means available, then so be it, fair enough. If other clubs did not have turkey shoots without the bound and box method, I would have nothing to say. If there are better ways for slaughterhouses to operate, I am all for them as well!
ah, so OTHER ways of scaring animals and killing them are okay. If I just chain his ankle to a post you're fine with it? What about a really large cage so he can run around? How about a band on his ankle and a jolt of juice through his brain, with a thousand others watching and knowing they're next (assuming turkeys are cognitive enough to parse that)?
And in the meantime, the slaughterhouse doesn't bother you. Wow.
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So I presume you won't be eating any more McDonald's or Jimmy Dean, right?
Right?
You still haven't answered this question.
Anyway, I'm done, gonna find something productive to do.
Boy, how many times have I heard that?
Nope. You fail. Argument has no merit, fails to differentiate between the acceptable and unacceptable behavior to an outside observer, respondent participates in behavior he defines as wrong for others, fails to answer basic questions to define his own position.
If I were scoring a junior high debate I'd call you the loser.
This is not meant as an insult. It's an observation. About three posts in, I decided this pasttime was bad and I wanted no part of it.
Every post of yours convinces me more that it's valid and I'd like to give it a try. You're doing a FANTASTIC job of presenting a logical position and defending it. I'm DEFINITELY going to try something like this next year. I'm willing to be persuaded not to. You're welcome to try a new approach.
