Hi-Caps in MASS?
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Benjamin
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You cannot legally have a post 9/13/94 mag holding more than 10 rounds.
Sorry man.
Sorry man.
mburnickas
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FFL can get them along with LEO etc. If you want some, look online for the mags. Not hard to find.
Benjamin
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No, they're not hard to find. They're also not legal for him to own in MA, unless he's law enforcement.
If you really want extra capacity, examine a .40 cal magazine.
If you really want extra capacity, examine a .40 cal magazine.
phantomak47
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Yes you can have high cap mags in Ma, and you can buy them at any firearms dealer in Massachusetts. I have bought them from several gun dealers in Ma , you can buy them from out of state.
Yes you can have high cap mags in Ma, and you can buy them at any firearms dealer in Massachusetts. I have bought them from several gun dealers in Ma , you can buy them from out of state.
phantomak47
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sorry, I ment you cant buy them out of state
mburnickas
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I also have also gotten them from dealers in MA; opps I was an FFL! 
... The list can go on and on and it depends on what you want.
All my friends have 30 to 40 rnd mags for their mini 14. ar-15 and 32 round mags for there Glocks etc.
... The list can go on and on and it depends on what you want. All my friends have 30 to 40 rnd mags for their mini 14. ar-15 and 32 round mags for there Glocks etc.
Benjamin
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The bill that Gov. Romney signed on July 1, 2004 enacted, among other things, a state version of the 1994 fed AWB. This encluded language re: hi-cap mags.
Under current MA law, it is illegal to own a post 9/13/94 magazine holding more than 10 rounds, unless you are LE/mil, or an FFL stocking for LE/mil sales.
Best as I know, there just are no pre 94 mags for the walther P99 series.
I may be mistaken in this.
However, he cannot legally obtain, through a dealer or private purchase, a new manufacture magazine holding more than 10 rounds.
I know that if you hold a Class A LTC you can have pre94 magazines for your pistols holding 11+ rounds. I have several.
I also know that with a class B LTC or better you can have hi-cap mags for your rifles and shotguns. But, to my great dismay, we have an assinine restriction against post 94 magazines.
Under current MA law, it is illegal to own a post 9/13/94 magazine holding more than 10 rounds, unless you are LE/mil, or an FFL stocking for LE/mil sales.
Best as I know, there just are no pre 94 mags for the walther P99 series.
I may be mistaken in this.
However, he cannot legally obtain, through a dealer or private purchase, a new manufacture magazine holding more than 10 rounds.
I know that if you hold a Class A LTC you can have pre94 magazines for your pistols holding 11+ rounds. I have several.
I also know that with a class B LTC or better you can have hi-cap mags for your rifles and shotguns. But, to my great dismay, we have an assinine restriction against post 94 magazines.
mburnickas
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you are 100% right but his original question was "MASS extended the Magazine ban...." The answer is no.
Can people still buy high capacity mags, sure. I am going for my Class 2 and I just stopped my Class 3 the other day. I have 30 days to buy what I still want per Fed / state law. I could buy Beta C still I was blue in the face and even loan them out to people as per the state law & note in my A&D book.
To close, yes people (FFl, LEO and non FFL and non LEo) in Ma have them and who will inforce the laws? The dealers do there best and they have to per state and Fed law; but, when there are online, it is an open market.
Plus if a dealer sells you anything illegal the customer should not worry since it is not his behind. It is the dealers.
The state of MA sucks unless you are an FFL or LEO. Even then, the local PD are clueless on laws..I know my chief of people is a moron.
Can people still buy high capacity mags, sure. I am going for my Class 2 and I just stopped my Class 3 the other day. I have 30 days to buy what I still want per Fed / state law. I could buy Beta C still I was blue in the face and even loan them out to people as per the state law & note in my A&D book.
To close, yes people (FFl, LEO and non FFL and non LEo) in Ma have them and who will inforce the laws? The dealers do there best and they have to per state and Fed law; but, when there are online, it is an open market.
Plus if a dealer sells you anything illegal the customer should not worry since it is not his behind. It is the dealers.
The state of MA sucks unless you are an FFL or LEO. Even then, the local PD are clueless on laws..I know my chief of people is a moron.
Rockrivr1
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Even if LE came to the range while you were shooting to inspect to see who had what and you had a high capacity mag, how would he/she know it wasn't pre ban.
I mean, unless it wasn't made before the ban went into effect, how could anyone really discern what is pre and what is post? I'm looking at some of my high cap mags that were sold to me at a dealer who indicated they were pre ban, but really, how could one tell?
I mean, unless it wasn't made before the ban went into effect, how could anyone really discern what is pre and what is post? I'm looking at some of my high cap mags that were sold to me at a dealer who indicated they were pre ban, but really, how could one tell?
FPrice
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From the Massachusetts laws;
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131.htm
The first portion reads:
"CHAPTER 140. LICENSES
ARTICLE OF FIREARMS.
Chapter 140: Section 131 Licenses to carry firearms; Class A and B; conditions and restrictions
[ Text applicable as provided by 1998, 180, Sec. 80.]
Section 131. All licenses to carry firearms shall be designated Class A or Class B, and the issuance and possession of any such license shall be subject to the following conditions and restrictions:
(a) A Class A license shall entitle a holder thereof to purchase, rent, lease, borrow, possess and carry: (i) firearms, including large capacity firearms, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes, subject to such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of firearms as the licensing authority deems proper; and (ii) rifles and shotguns, including large capacity weapons, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes; provided, however, that the licensing authority may impose such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of large capacity rifles and shotguns as it deems proper. A violation of a restriction imposed by the licensing authority under the provisions of this paragraph shall be cause for suspension or revocation and shall, unless otherwise provided, be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000; provided, however, that the provisions of section 10 of chapter 269 shall not apply to such violation."
A properly licensed indivual MAY possess large capacity feeding devices (AKA hi-cap mags, normal capacity magazines, etc.) with the proper license.
In answer to another statement, "sorry, I ment you cant buy them out of state" I know of no prohibition against buying a large capacity feeding device from out of state. Now some dealers may say that they cannot or will not ship them to Massachusetts but that is a different story.
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131.htm
The first portion reads:
"CHAPTER 140. LICENSES
ARTICLE OF FIREARMS.
Chapter 140: Section 131 Licenses to carry firearms; Class A and B; conditions and restrictions
[ Text applicable as provided by 1998, 180, Sec. 80.]
Section 131. All licenses to carry firearms shall be designated Class A or Class B, and the issuance and possession of any such license shall be subject to the following conditions and restrictions:
(a) A Class A license shall entitle a holder thereof to purchase, rent, lease, borrow, possess and carry: (i) firearms, including large capacity firearms, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes, subject to such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of firearms as the licensing authority deems proper; and (ii) rifles and shotguns, including large capacity weapons, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes; provided, however, that the licensing authority may impose such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of large capacity rifles and shotguns as it deems proper. A violation of a restriction imposed by the licensing authority under the provisions of this paragraph shall be cause for suspension or revocation and shall, unless otherwise provided, be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000; provided, however, that the provisions of section 10 of chapter 269 shall not apply to such violation."
A properly licensed indivual MAY possess large capacity feeding devices (AKA hi-cap mags, normal capacity magazines, etc.) with the proper license.
In answer to another statement, "sorry, I ment you cant buy them out of state" I know of no prohibition against buying a large capacity feeding device from out of state. Now some dealers may say that they cannot or will not ship them to Massachusetts but that is a different story.
phantomak47
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fsguns.com used to have high cap walter mags, call them they are really nice people nad will help you out
Fprice,
Thanks for the Info. I think I found some Pre-ban Hi cap Mags. They are out of State. Is there anyway to know for sure that the Mag advertised as Pre ban are actually pre ban?
Is there no law keeping me form having the Magazine(s) shipped to me?
Thanks for the Info. I think I found some Pre-ban Hi cap Mags. They are out of State. Is there anyway to know for sure that the Mag advertised as Pre ban are actually pre ban?
Is there no law keeping me form having the Magazine(s) shipped to me?
There are P99 9mm mags out there that are categorized as "unknown" with regards to being pre-ban or not.
These have a witness hole at "15", the "Turk" mags made by MECGAR.
Walther does not acknowledge these.
Ask the source if there is a witness hole for 16 or 15.
No LEO markings, of course.
These have a witness hole at "15", the "Turk" mags made by MECGAR.
Walther does not acknowledge these.
Ask the source if there is a witness hole for 16 or 15.
No LEO markings, of course.
Gray Peterson
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I think the Mass AW ban is in a different section than the licensing statute.
Gray Peterson
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Found it
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/269-10.htm
It would appear that possession of a Class A or Class B LTC exempts you from the state prohibition on possessing Large Capacity Feeding Devices, as they are called in the statute.
Therefor, if you have an LTC, you can buy standard capacity mags and be able to possess them even if they were made after 9/13/1994
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/269-10.htm
It would appear that possession of a Class A or Class B LTC exempts you from the state prohibition on possessing Large Capacity Feeding Devices, as they are called in the statute.
Therefor, if you have an LTC, you can buy standard capacity mags and be able to possess them even if they were made after 9/13/1994
FPrice
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Gump...
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer not do I play one on the TV or the Internet.
"Is there anyway to know for sure that the Mag advertised as Pre ban are actually pre ban?"
A post-ban magazine is marked to the effect "Military?LE/Government" and has a manufacture date, usually like "10/98" or "Oct 98" or something similar. A pre-ban magazine has no markings like these.
"Is there no law keeping me form having the Magazine(s) shipped to me?"
To the best of my knowledge there is no law saying an out-of-state vendor cannot ship your these magazines. However many vendors being unsure of our laws will not ship into this state thinking that such magazines are banned here. Or they may be aware of the AG's sting operations against ammo vendors and may be a bit wary of a similar set-up.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer not do I play one on the TV or the Internet.
"Is there anyway to know for sure that the Mag advertised as Pre ban are actually pre ban?"
A post-ban magazine is marked to the effect "Military?LE/Government" and has a manufacture date, usually like "10/98" or "Oct 98" or something similar. A pre-ban magazine has no markings like these.
"Is there no law keeping me form having the Magazine(s) shipped to me?"
To the best of my knowledge there is no law saying an out-of-state vendor cannot ship your these magazines. However many vendors being unsure of our laws will not ship into this state thinking that such magazines are banned here. Or they may be aware of the AG's sting operations against ammo vendors and may be a bit wary of a similar set-up.
Chipperman
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PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
Guys, read the laws and MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. Some of the statements above can get you into trouble. If you have doubts, call GOAL directly, don't take the word of me or anyone else here!!
A Class A license does allow you to possess Hi-caps in MA.
HOWEVER, that does Not allow possession of post '94 Hi-Caps.
You can possess "AW's" and Hi-Caps in MA with a Class A license. They both need to have been made prior to 94.
In short, the MA law is no different regarding Hi-caps and AW's than it was 6 months ago. Nothing new (as in different) is banned, and nothing different is allowed.
Guys, read the laws and MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. Some of the statements above can get you into trouble. If you have doubts, call GOAL directly, don't take the word of me or anyone else here!!
A Class A license does allow you to possess Hi-caps in MA.
HOWEVER, that does Not allow possession of post '94 Hi-Caps.
You can possess "AW's" and Hi-Caps in MA with a Class A license. They both need to have been made prior to 94.
In short, the MA law is no different regarding Hi-caps and AW's than it was 6 months ago. Nothing new (as in different) is banned, and nothing different is allowed.
Calling GOAL is always a good idea.
If you are in MA and not a member, join!
(they will still be happy to answer your questions, either way)
http://www.goal.org/
If you are in MA and not a member, join!
(they will still be happy to answer your questions, either way)
http://www.goal.org/
atk
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Regarding the bill signed into law on 1 Jul 04: http://www.goal.org/Alerts/reformbillsigned.html
atk
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I called GOAL, and got a little more information. The MA ban is due to a law passed in 1998, which does not have an expiration date, and states, that it is illegal to posess high capacity magazines that were manufactured after 1994.
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