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hi, Im from the uk, Im 14, and I can fire an SA80 varient legaly

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Good evening mr_uk,

As you may have gathered Peter Rabbit would be wise not to run into Mr MacGregor's garden and tell him how to grow cabbages.

Good luck with the air cadets, had a few friends that did that, they seemed to enjoy it. Welcome to the High Road, it would seem that you managed to push a few buttons but generally this place is the most good natured forum I have seen. Much to learn here.
 
another welcome to you, mr_uk

When I ran the marksmanship program at a boys camp in northwestern Wisconsin (find Wisconsin on a map) one of my counselor staff was from the UK and he was in a program similar to what you are doing.

He was older, and I think it had to do with the Army--and they had graduated on up through to shooting your assault rifles, etc.

So, how far can you go with your program? For how long? Tell us more about it.
 
I was just wondering if other countries are this crazzy and are we all planning on attacking each other in the near future?
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First rifle I got to shoot on a regular basis was when I was 15 years old in school. It was an M1 garand shooting 30-06 caliber. We were able to shoot out to 500 yards. We started with 22LR target rifles in the school basement. They had a range down there. This was even out in California. It was ROTC (reserve officer training corps) and considered an alternative to participating in gym class.

England has nothing we want. If you guys get frisky out of a need to reduce your population or something like that we'll probably oblige you (again). :D

Welcome youngster.
 
jfh, that would be the Army cadets, similar thing, I was involved a number of years ago but it was old Lee Enfields and 22s then, they didn't get to shoot the modern stuff :)

Ryder : we seem to be managing population control OK with all the nutters about in this country and no method to defend ourselves :mad: , now if you felt like taking us over and having the 2nd ammendment apply over here ...... :D
 
Welcome mr_uk. I have a good friend in your country who I met while he was serving in your armed forces. I know that despite all the press, the shooting sports aren't dead over there yet.

It's good to know they still have programs like Air Cadets.

Jeff
 
Welcome Mr. Uk - if you stick around here, I'll bet there's a lot for you to learn. I've been shooting since I was a kid, and I've picked a lot up just in the short time I've been here.

I wonder if your 'air cadets' is a similar organization to the US 'civil air patrol'?

http://www.cap.gov/quickinfo/student.html

or like the junior ROTC

http://www-rotc.monroe.army.mil/jrotc/

Regardless, I wouldn't say teenagers practicing with rifles with adult supervision is liable to raise many eyebrows in most of the US...Here's a picture from THR's hunting forum

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Ten-year-old Dylan Hovey of Victory shot this 875-pound bull moose with 591/2-inch rack at the Victory pipeline Saturday
 
Welcom Mr. UK-

Which part is crazy, training young men in marksmanship and discipline, or caging them in with barbed wire fences to do it?

Your cultural bias is showing... Rural Americans learned to shoot as soon as they were big enough to shoulder a rifle. My uncle tells me of my grandfather giving him 3 .22lr cartridges each afternoon after school. If he didn't come home with 3 rabbits for dinner, he better have the remainder in bullets!

Kids never went berzerk with guns until video games showed them how! :what: :barf:
 
Welcome to THR, mr_uk. I'm glad you are able to use a gun, and hope you are able to stick around and learn lots here at THR.

Attached is a picture of my family at the range. We'd just finished using a .22 rifle to blow a hole in the pumpkin which I picked up to show them, and we were talking about what would have happened if that had been a human being -- an important safety lesson for kids who spend any amount of time around guns.

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At the time the picture was taken, the boys were ages 13, 11, 9, 8, and 7. That trip, each of the boys shot the .22 rifle at the vegetables (incidentally, zucchini work much better than pumpkins do for this sort of thing -- zucchini pretty well explode when hit right). The older two also shot a 9mm handgun (a Glock 26), and a .38 special revolver. I shot a .44 magnum for them, and also demonstrated a 12-gauge shotgun for them. None of the boys were eager to shoot the larger guns, and of course we did not push them since there will be plenty of time for them to shoot those when they are a bit older.

We are in no way a very unusual family in rural America. You won't often see families doing this sort of thing in the big city, but this is what rural America looks like.

pax

The history of this country was made largely by people who wanted to be left alone. Those who could not thrive when left to themselves never felt at ease in America. -- Eric Hoffer
 
Welcome to the party, mr_uk. Despite the attitudes of some people so far, we're really a good group to be around. Hope you give us a chance.

You're racking up some impressive firearms skills. I didn't learn to field-strip my SMLE until a few years ago, and I had to learn from an old Guns & Ammo magazine article. In my state, you're not considered an adult until you've learned to shoot. :D

Hollowpoint ammo is OK for its intended purpose. Most hollowpoints are made to expand rapidly in a target w/o penetrating too deeply. In your comrade's case, I think he probably had match hollowpoint--which don't expand at all but keep the bullet balanced in flight. Myself, I like large-caliber hard-cast lead flatpoint bullets...:cool:

also. the criminals here used to be mildly honorable, they wouldent use pistols or rifles against the police because they dident use them. and then the foriegners came over and spoiled it all.
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I sympathize with your plight. While I don't have a problem w/ the ones who immigrate legally, the illegal ones have caused us nothing but grief...:fire:

That's ok. A little Capstick can make anyone an expert.
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Don't listen to him. If you read the books of Elmer Keith (Hell, I Was There) and Col. Jeff Cooper (The Art of the Rifle), then you'll be a firearms GOD... ;)
 
I started shooting when I was 8. I brought home a PETA flyer from school, complaining about how hunters are bad men. My dad just about flipped.

Within a week I had my first .22 rifle. I started competing in small bore rifle at the local junior marksmanship club when I was 9 or 10. I was shooting a Remington 541T supplied by the US Government.

When I turned 11, I started shooting Highpower, using an M1 Garand, supplied by the US Government. After a few months, one of my fellow competitors gave me a tricked out, brand new, Match Grade AR-15 to "break in." I'm pretty sure he was just showing mercy, as I was pretty scrawny at the time, and usually had a giant bruise after every match. However, if you are reading this Rodney Wells, thanks! I owe you a beer the next time I am in Connecticut.

I started hunting when I was 12. In Connecticut, 12 was the youngest age you could get a hunting license. I received a Remington 1100 for my 13th birtday, and an AR-15 for my 16th birthday.

Where did it all end up? I now design guns for a living, and spend most of my disposable income on shooting. If I hadn't become interested in shooting, I probably would have never come to know my father. Heck, I would probably be a panty-waisted liberal!

So mr_uk, work hard at marksmanship, and the rewards will be great. The rewards may not be financial, but there will be spiritual rewards beyond all measure.

Treatise on the benefits of youth shooting to follow in a few days.

owen
 
Ever heard of Wolf ammo? kalashnikov assault rifle rounds repackaged as hunting rounds. its so old that the charge in the back of the round leaves a large amount of corrosives in the barrel.
 
my squadron has 3 enfields on site, they are absolutly buetifle weapons.
but they've had holes drilled through their barrels so they are next to useless.

has anyone seen 'enemy at the gates'? its about a russian soldier who starts with no rifle and ends up a sniper. does anyone know what that rifle is?
 
mr_uk wrote:
Ever heard of Wolf ammo? kalashnikov assault rifle rounds repackaged as hunting rounds. its so old that the charge in the back of the round leaves a large amount of corrosives in the barrel.
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Not exactly. While the primers of most Com-Block surplus ammo do contain corrosive salts, Wolf ammunition is newly manufactered and non-corrosive. It is also manufactured in a variety of calibers other than the 7.62x39 used in the SKS and AK variants. If you do a search here you'll see quite a few threads that either deal with it specifically or mention it as part of a range report. Hope that helps.

Of, BTW. When you mentioned the cost of an AK in Britain, would I be correct in assuming that you are talking about the "street price" of an outlawed weapon? I thought that rifles of that sort were more or less banned in the UK?
 
mr_uk wrote:
has anyone seen 'enemy at the gates'? its about a russian soldier who starts with no rifle and ends up a sniper. does anyone know what that rifle is?
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The soldier who's life that movie was based on is Vasili Zaitsev. I've seen other ways of spelling his name, but that is close.
The rifle he used was a sniper variant of the M91/30 Mosin-Nagant. It differed from the standard one in having a scope mounted and the bolt handle turned down at an angle. Again, much info can be obtained about it in the Rifle forum.
 
oh, I must have misread what the article said.

I think your right, you might be able to get semi auto weapons that look like aks but not the real thing
 
thanks balog.

where would our friendly naberhood terrorists be today without the russians?
 
has anyone seen 'enemy at the gates'? its about a russian soldier who starts with no rifle and ends up a sniper. does anyone know what that rifle is?
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It's a Mosin-Nagant. They sell in the $50-$100 range in the 'States right now and are quite popular milsurps. I have two. :)
 
ambidextrous sniper?

I wish I could get a gun, but I cant.
so I've made up for it by learning to make explosives. I havent put this knowlage into action of course...
 
You'll want to be careful about that homemade explosive info. If you're going off the Anarchists Cookbook or internet sources the only thing you'd have a decent chance of blowing up would be yourself.
 
You'd be lucky to get an AK variant in semi. My old uni club had a Ruger 10/22, think that is about the limit of semi-auto's available since Hungerford - anything more than .22lr is 'fullbore' under British law.

mr_uk, it is possible to get a gun, you will have to wait for a few years to own your own. Investigate local shooting clubs, see what there is. Fair amount of clay shooting around too.
 
no chance of that, I'l either have a heart attack from dropping a fether near it (iodine crystals + namonia) or burn to death (vasaline + bleach)
 
mr_uk,
Welcome the THR and work hard on that marksmanship. Such skills might come in handy someday when you least expect to need them.

FWIW, it is true that Americans (rural ones anyway) don't regard teenagers with guns as abnormal. Heck, here in New Hampshire you're abnormal if you DON'T have a gun by the time you're 16 (either abnormal or from Massachussett, either way). I'm 20 myself and have an evil "assault rifle" AR-15 (civvie M-16), a hunting rifle, a shotgun and an old Mauser, along with access to many other fun pieces of hardware.

pax,
The 13 year old didn't want to shoot a .44?! Wow! I fired my first one when I was about that old and am without one for the first time since then. I also learned to fire an M-1 Garand when I was 14/15. No, I'm not overly large and able to deal with recoil (currently 5' 8" and 160-ish pounds, was smaller then) but I've never been hurt or bruised by any large caliber rifle.

Enough rambling, take care all, and shoot straight,
~Nate
 
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