Hi Point vs Kel Tec Sub2K

Hi Point vs Kel Tec Sub2K

  • Hi Point carbine

    Votes: 34 28.8%

  • Subby

    Votes: 84 71.2%
  • Total voters
    118
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I have a KT2000 in 40. Trying to get a sight picture with muffs on is a PITA. I may spring for one of the optional forends so I can mount a red dot......chris3
 
Love my subby in 40 sw. That poor lil gun has been so neglected and abused. Still has never jammed. Light and it folds up to fit in a pack. Perfect lil camping gun.

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From Feb, in this thread - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=644163&highlight=kel+tec+hi+point

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=166805
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=292058
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=211774
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=530838
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=601885
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=601411


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Originally Posted by me, in thread 530838
Having fired both, I now own a KT sub2000 (9mm glock mag), even though I'm not an owner of any of the compatible magazine pistols.
The HP is a bit more ergonomic and cheaper
But the KT folds, takes commonly available mags, folds, has better sights (my opinion), folds, is better quality, folds, and has a less annoying bolt hold-open option. Plus the KT folds.

But I admit it, the buttplate on my sub2000 left a small bruise on me after running ~250 rounds through for break-in, and the operating handle took a nip out of the pad of my hand when I was figuring out the best way to work the wonky underslung handle ... the ergonomics aren't the greatest.

I think I summed it up well, the above threads (a tiny sampling of what you get searching for "site:thehighroad.org kel tec hi point carbine") should sum up the differences between the two models.
Only you can decide what features are most important to you, these aren't new guns and have been compared quite exhaustively, all the information you can possibly get without handling both guns and shooting them is available already.
 
I have a Sub 2000 .40 that take Glock Mags. My experience with this rifle?
1) my 2nd shot of a brand new rifle blew up because the chamber was too tight.
Keltec fixed it.
2) 3 weeks ago, the plastic feed ramp melted and broke off. Yeah.. Plastic feed ramp gets wear and tear from bullets that has a very proximity to a hot barrel. Genius engineering.
3) I have been trying to contact Keltec for over 2 weeks to send me replacement feedramp, sent several emails, and left a message to Sean (Shawn) with no response.:banghead:
I will never buy Kel tec again. Nothing but a plastic toy and their customer service which was once great is nothing but a crap shoot for the past 2 weeks.
 
I have a Sub2000 that takes Beretta 92 mags. I have a bunch of those Promag 17 round mags that the 92 doesn't really like, but the Sub does fine with them. So far, except for the part I dropped and lost, the Sub has been totally trouble free.
 
I like my sub2000.
I did a mod to ad optics to the standard forearm:
Took an AK scope side mount and added it to the forearm on the right side, so the mount slides on without interfering with the guns rear sight.
a spacer washer was added under the mount to account for the forarms taper.
Now I can unfold the Subby and slide on the removable AK scope rail. easy peasy.

A company called "Red Lion" makes an aluminum front sight with comp that adjusts like an AR for windage and elevation.
 
plastic feed ramp???? Mine is metal...I admit its not much of one but its not plastic and mine is very old serial # 101**
Click to expand...
That's before Keltec started cutting corners. Heck, when I disassembled the sub2000, I was surprised how cheap this gun was made.

According to Keltec forums, the barrel is actually held in place by loctite. Next time my friends and I go shooting and this gun gets fixed, I'll put a sticker on my sub 2000 that would say, "Fragile, Handle with care"

Here's a pic of what is left of the broken feedramp
 

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Marine, I'd say that supply of the sub2k is lowers, not that demand is higher. There are tons of hi point carbines out there for sale, not so many subs. I've seen several 995s on my local armslist, but only 1 sub. GB shows about 35 hi-point carbines listed right now, but only about 10 sub 2ks.

I do wish that the mags on my 995 were easier to load and held 20 rather than 10. I do like the gun, as does my brother, his fiance, and our 9/10 year old boys. I'd buy another in a heartbeat if I had the cash.

I haven't shot a sub2k or camp, but I will own one or teh other someday, again, when I have the cash. Right now, they are getting up there in price.
 
can i vote neither? LOL

if a fella had a Ruger or Beretta pistol there are quality carbines out there, albeit the Ruger carbine would have to be picked up used. i wish some of these companies like Glock, H&K, Sig and S&W would get their heads out of their butts and give us owners a quality carbine that is compatable with our pistol mags. surely im not the only one whod be in line for a handy carbine of this type.
 
Lee, I'm right with ya. Ruger PC9 is cool but rare. Camp 9 and 45, fairly rare and not made anymore. CX4 Storm is a little too pricey for the average Joe. I mean, a PX 4 is $200 less, is a longer barrel and plastic rifle stock that much more expensive?
 
i forgot the Marlins, theyre nice carbines if you are lucky enough to find one...and if you do, be prepared to throw down some $$$$
 
Hi Point pros: Inexpensive, ultra reliable, can be found in just about 95% of the guns stores in the US, optics and accessories friendly. Comes in 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP
Hi Point cons: Mags, mine was prone to rust (but a lot of that is the humidity in my area).

I had the 995, and some days I regret selling it.

KTSub2K Pros: Come in different configurations for popular magazines. I'd like one in S&W59 mag config. Not too awfully expensive. It folds into a compact design, great for camping or Bug out bags.
Cons: Not always available, and when they are, they are usually Glock mags (which is a con for me). Not optics friendly. If you mount an optic, it takes away the nice compact folding ability. Not available in .45ACP

both are nifty guns, but if I were to get another PCC, it would be the Kel-Tec because it can share mags with my pistol.
 
Hi-points work just as well (from what I've seen first hand and in videos enough to know that it isn't a fluke) no matter the case type of the ammo.

KT's as much as I like the idea behind the sub2k,not being able to function properly with aluminum cased ammo is a major hangup with me.

It isn't very pretty but it works well and shoots accurately.

My vote goes for the planet of the apes gun.
 
The planet of the apes gun was an M1 Carbine underneath

And while not being friendly to Al-case ammo sucks, I don't find it all that hard to reserve the Al-case for other guns and remember to toss brass-case in the bag for the sub2k, after all any social work will be done with brass-case defensive ammo, so remembering to feed it brass for range time isn't too hard. I've run steel in my sub2k and it was extremely dirty, but otherwise functioned fine. (I suspect that the cases weren't sealing the chamber like brass would, and I bet Al wouldn't seal well either)
 
Bigfatdave, some call it the planet of the apes gun as a nick name since the older HP carbines are pretty funky looking.
 
I voted for the keltec, but only because it can be had in a configuration for glock 19 magazines. I have a ton of 19 and 17 mags that would fit it.
 
I bought a HP 4595 on-line never having seen one in person, because I like pistol caliber carbines. If I had a more pressing need for a folder the Kel Tek might have been the one I wanted. But they look uncomfortable to shoot and I don't care about the magazine capacity on the HP. HP sells the mags cheap and so far (~1500 rounds) they work. It's just a range toy, but I'm not impressed with the accuracy, some 1911's shoot tighter. It's a more substantial gun than I was expecting. The weight and the built in recoil system on the butt make it a pleasure to shoot, my 115# daughter likes it a lot.
 
My one problem with the Hi-Point is mag capacity being limited. That's an issue I take with a good number of pistol caliber carbines, which often don't accept magazines of great size/greater size than factor production mags for the equivalent handguns. I don't know much about the Sub 2K, other than people seem to like it.
 
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