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Ya it looks like its been abused but the finish did very well. If it's epoxy based the nmp I have should remove it.
 
"I had a T series Hi-Power that had one of the worst triggers I have ever encountered. Had to guess at the pull weight because the gauge we were using only went up to 12 pounds."

Wow, something had to have been wrong with that one (bad wrong). My '52 P35 has a very respectable semi-auto trigger. It's a bit spongy while the mag safety is scraping over the mag, but both it and the mag are well polished so there's no grit to it. Nicer than the five-seven's at least (if not as accurate). I'm not a semi-auto trigger connoisseur, though (1912 Steyr, C96, CZ52, five-seven, hi-power, soon an R51; more of a glutton for punishment, really. I'd probably call a Sigma's nice :D

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I got lucky it seems since my MKIII trigger has been great out of the box, heavy but nice and crisp.

I was all ready to pull the mag disconnect but I haven't yet as I don't mind the trigger at all.
 
When compared to Soviet Nagant revolver or Polish P-64 the HP trigger is a wonderful thing. For military service handgun I found the trigger to be perfectly acceptable. Why anyone would pick this gun over something like SIG226 is beyond me. Even the English realized that SIG is a superior weapon. While I understand why .45 1911 is so beloved why the HP is has such a following in private sector is complete conundrum to me.
 
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The Cylinder & Slide kit is neat but expensive. They make high-quality parts, however.
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Its worth every cent. IMO

I have a Practical in 40S&W that has a trigger job by C&S with the Wide Combat Trigger and extended Slide Stop. The trigger is a dream, only to be surpassed by my high end 1911's.
 
PabloJ said:
When compared to Soviet Nagant revolver or Polish P-64 the HP trigger is a wonderful thing. For military service handgun I found the trigger to be perfectly acceptable. Why anyone would pick this gun over something like SIG226 is beyond me. Even the English realized that SIG is a superior weapon. While I understand why .45 1911 is so beloved why the HP is has such a following in private sector is complete conundrum to me.
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For me, it comes down to the way it fits my hand. There is no pistol, made by anyone, in any caliber, that fits my hand better than the HP. At least not that I have found. The CZ75 & Sig P225 are tied for 2nd, but the HP is in the #1 spot.
It is also very trim, which makes it very easy to conceal.
 
Why anyone would pick this gun over something like SIG226 is beyond me. Even the English realized that SIG is a superior weapon. While I understand why .45 1911 is so beloved why the HP is has such a following in private sector is complete conundrum to me.
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You could always be like me and decide that the DA/SA trigger system isn't for you, and long DAO triggers (or DAK or whatever Sig uses) don't push my buttons either. A good SAO trigger, heck even a heavy not so good one, is my preference.

That and every SIG I've fired breaks way too far back in the pull for me, and I don't like that.

YMMV, naturally.
 
Originally Posted by Deltaboy View Post
Here you go gentlemen. The late Steve Camp's Hi-Power site.


http://texaschlforum.com/viewforum.php?f=104
Dangit you beat me to it. thanks for making the reference though. Stephen was a great guy and quite willing to share his advice here.
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Actually what Deltaboy linked to is not Mr. Camp's site but another site that links to his.

Here is Mr. Camp's site which is still maintained by his family and where his books are available...

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/index.html

tipoc
 
When compared to Soviet Nagant revolver or Polish P-64 the HP trigger is a wonderful thing. For military service handgun I found the trigger to be perfectly acceptable.
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So for a service sidearm the trigger is acceptable. With a bit of work it can be more than acceptable. It can be very good. Not as good as a 1911 but it can be a good two stage military trigger, a slight take up with a clean 6 pound break or so. Much better than many of the guns available and widely used today.

tipoc
 
tipoc said:
Actually what Deltaboy linked to is not Mr. Camp's site but another site that links to his.

Here is Mr. Camp's site which is still maintained by his family and where his books are available...

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/index.html

tipoc
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Thanks tipoc, I missed that when I saw Stephens name.
All in all I like both my Browning and my PJK-9HP the PJK has the mag safety removed and the Browning does not. I used to own an Argentine as well, it also had the Safety in tact. All seemed to shoot like a dream come true for me.
 
I bought a Charles Daly HP clone a couple of years ago for my sons to use in IDPA. The trigger was terrible but removing the mag disconnect changed it completely. Now it is about 5lbs, clean and crisp, a huge improvement for a few minutes work.
 
Why anyone would pick this gun over something like SIG226 is beyond me. Even the English realized that SIG is a superior weapon. While I understand why .45 1911 is so beloved why the HP is has such a following in private sector is complete conundrum to me.
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The British began using the HP during WII. The Canadians began making a version of it, the Inglis, in 1944 which went around the British Empire and into China. In the post war period it was adopted by over 93 countries (50 armies) as their standard service sidearm. The HP was later adopted as the UKs general service sidearm and remained that till last year, IIRC, when it was replaced by the Glock. The SAS did adopt the Sig a few years back. It remains today the service sidearm of a number of nations. In general it is being phased out by less expensive and easier to maintain guns. But...for almost 60 years it served the UK and a number of other nations.

Few pistols (if any) have as long a service career nor have proven themselves as reliable, durable and as accurate over a period of decades around the globe under all conditions existent on earth. It also was light weight, portable carried either 13 or 15 rounds in a magazine and looks good while doing it. This can serve as a starting point for resolving the "conundrum".

tipoc
 
Agree.... Worst trigger I've experienced. Sold off two in my past. It's a shame as they are beautiful and handle so well.
 
I think there's hope for this gun when I get the time to work on it. I just figured it would be closer to the surplus cz 75's I have been working on lately. I converted a 91 75 to SAO and with a little trigger work it had a 2 lbs trigger with no pre or post travel. I'm sure there are aftermarket parts that could make the hi power trigger better but comparing the stock 87 cz 75 DA/SA vs the stock 94 hi power the CZ's trigger seems a lot better.
 
You can make a Hi Power trigger very, very nice without too much trouble. Removing the mag disconnect often does it by itself. Installing a lighter hammer spring, and maybe some stoning of the sear, etc will make it an excellent single action trigger.

I got lucky. My MK III Hi Power had an excellent trigger out of the box, and I have not changed a thing.
 
The trick to a nice Hi-Power trigger is:

1. Minimizing the friction caused by the mag disconnect - I've seen this done various ways from polishing, to cutting grooves in it, to removing it entirely. All of these work.

2. Replacing the post-1991 hammer springs (32lb) with a pre-1991 hammer spring (26lb IIRC) will still leave you with very reliable ignition of commercial ammo and even most military ammo.

3. Replacing the post-1994(?) trigger return spring with a lighter spring. Literally, all this spring does is return the trigger. A heavier spring will help with a faster reset but will also give you a heavier trigger pull. Playing with this is an easy way to tweak the trigger without affecting reliability.
 
If I remember correctly the only other sidearm with a longer service history is the 1911A1, that being said the Hi-Power was adopted by more countries and served them well for many years. For a design released in 1935 there are a lot of firearms today that adopt the innovations that were part of the Hi-Power. Most notably the Barrel Lug.
Say what you will about the work that needs to be done on it, but it like the 1911 is also one of the classic designs that changed firearm and in particular handgun history.
Flame away about this if you like
I'll take a Hi-Power over a lot of modern more "innovative" designs.
 
I converted a 91 75 to SAO and with a little trigger work it had a 2 lbs trigger with no pre or post travel.
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If you converted a da/sa CZ75 to sa then you should have no trouble improving the P35s trigger and it should be no puzzler to you. Why a fella would want a 2 pound trigger on a CZ is another matter. Bullseye maybe? You likely won't get that on a Hi-Power. I'm not sure what you mean by no "pre travel" do you mean no take up or do you mean no creep or mushiness? The Hi-Power trigger is capable of a smooth light take up, resistance and a clean break.

There is advice aplenty on this on the web.

tipoc
 
Pre travel= take up. The trigger was not mussy at all at 2lbs it was running a stock hammer spring.

Ya I'm sure I'll have no problem was just looking for common problems like the mag brake, being over sprung, and so on.

Well I was thinking about turning that CZ into a open gun but decided a sp-01 platform would be a better base gun. I did sell that gun to a bulleye shooter tho.
 
Well worked on the hi power today and now the trigger is nice and smooth. Removed the mag brake, tweaked the trs spring and sear spring, lowered the hammer hooks and polished the internals. Much better now it could be lighter but the break is nice and the pull is smooth.

Never been around a hi power before those are some of the strangest internals I've seen.
 
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