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I am working up 10mm loads. My data is from Hornady. The loads are 180gr. XTP ranging from 8-9.8gr. 800-X (the max is 10.1 at 1250fps). 155gr. XTP ranging from 11-12.4gr. Blue Dot (max 12.9 at 1450fps). 200gr. Hornady FMJ ranging from 8-8.4gr. Blue Dot (max 9.4 at 1150fps). All loads using CCI 300 primers and once fired Starline brass. All loads weighed and measured, COL is published numbers. Crimp is a little more than necessary for the Glock barrel (I test the crimp in a match barrel, just enough to fit). All shot from a basically stock G29 using a stock barrel and stock spring. All brass looks fine with no "glock smiles" and very, very minimal bulging, if any, and the primers look fine too. No visible signs of pressure.
Now the first three loads in 180gr. were fired at an army range not much above sea level at about 45deg. F. Using 800-X, I got: 8gr., 990fps, 8.5gr., 1050fps, 9.0gr., 1150fps.
Then I loaded 9.1-9.8gr. in 1/10th gr. increments and fired them at about 4000ft. in about 85deg. F. weather. It was the best place I could find off-hand. I got: 9.4-9.5gr., 1129fps, 9.6gr., 1130-1155fps, 9.7gr., 1157-1173fps, and 9.8gr., 1174fps.
At the high altitude, I also tested the 155gr. XTP's. I got 1081fps for 11gr. of Blue Dot, 1173 for 11.9gr., same for 21.1gr., finally 1220 for 12.4 gr. Using the 200gr. FMJ, I got 866 for 8gr., same for 8.2gr., and 875 for 8.4gr.
These numbers are way off from the book numbers (which was using a 5" bbl). However, the low altitude shot, 9gr. 800-X at 1150fps, that was dead on the money regarding the book data even with the short Glock bbl. But when I loaded up close to the max, when I got to the 9.8gr. loads, the highest I got was 1174fps!
But the biggest disappointment was with the 155gr. bullets. The highest reading was 1238fps using 12.4gr. Blue Dot, only .5gr. from the max. The book lists 1400. The 200gr. gave 897fps using 8.4gr. Blue Dot, with the book being at 1025fps for the same load.
To put all this in contrast, the G27 registered 1110fps using Winchester Ranger T-Series 165gr., advertised velocity is 1180fps. I had some 5.5gr. N340 and 180gr. Rainier .40 loads that seemed to be closer to published data than the Blue Dot and the 800-X, but not the Ranger loads.
So the questions, do you think it is the powder? These low pressure high volume powders at high altitudes? Because whatever Winchester uses in their RA40TA worked fine. Does anyone have experience with this? What happened when you worked the loads up again at lower altitude?
I really expected more out of these loads, I really did. I suppose all those loads will have to be worked up again, because if pressure is the culprit, well, I really don't need to say more. Anyone with any help or experience here would be appreciated, as I live in an area where I can be anywhere between sea level and 5600ft. I'd like a real 10mm load that will perform consistently well over a broader temperature and barometric range.
Now the first three loads in 180gr. were fired at an army range not much above sea level at about 45deg. F. Using 800-X, I got: 8gr., 990fps, 8.5gr., 1050fps, 9.0gr., 1150fps.
Then I loaded 9.1-9.8gr. in 1/10th gr. increments and fired them at about 4000ft. in about 85deg. F. weather. It was the best place I could find off-hand. I got: 9.4-9.5gr., 1129fps, 9.6gr., 1130-1155fps, 9.7gr., 1157-1173fps, and 9.8gr., 1174fps.
At the high altitude, I also tested the 155gr. XTP's. I got 1081fps for 11gr. of Blue Dot, 1173 for 11.9gr., same for 21.1gr., finally 1220 for 12.4 gr. Using the 200gr. FMJ, I got 866 for 8gr., same for 8.2gr., and 875 for 8.4gr.
These numbers are way off from the book numbers (which was using a 5" bbl). However, the low altitude shot, 9gr. 800-X at 1150fps, that was dead on the money regarding the book data even with the short Glock bbl. But when I loaded up close to the max, when I got to the 9.8gr. loads, the highest I got was 1174fps!
But the biggest disappointment was with the 155gr. bullets. The highest reading was 1238fps using 12.4gr. Blue Dot, only .5gr. from the max. The book lists 1400. The 200gr. gave 897fps using 8.4gr. Blue Dot, with the book being at 1025fps for the same load.
To put all this in contrast, the G27 registered 1110fps using Winchester Ranger T-Series 165gr., advertised velocity is 1180fps. I had some 5.5gr. N340 and 180gr. Rainier .40 loads that seemed to be closer to published data than the Blue Dot and the 800-X, but not the Ranger loads.
So the questions, do you think it is the powder? These low pressure high volume powders at high altitudes? Because whatever Winchester uses in their RA40TA worked fine. Does anyone have experience with this? What happened when you worked the loads up again at lower altitude?
I really expected more out of these loads, I really did. I suppose all those loads will have to be worked up again, because if pressure is the culprit, well, I really don't need to say more. Anyone with any help or experience here would be appreciated, as I live in an area where I can be anywhere between sea level and 5600ft. I'd like a real 10mm load that will perform consistently well over a broader temperature and barometric range.
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