High Capacity DA Revolvers

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Some of this is curiosity, some of it is just random musings.

I am aware that a few manufacturers make some DA revolvers with a higher capacity than the general standard of 6 rounds. For instance, S&W and Ruger both make 10-shot .22 LR (617 and GP100), and Taurus makes a 9-round .22 LR that has a .22 Mag cylinder (992) and the Tracker 17 that holds 7 rounds of 17 HMR. I also know that Smith has the 686 Plus that holds 7 rounds of .357 Mag, and the various S&W 627/327 models that hold 8 rounds of the same. Taurus has the Raging Hunter and Tracker 627 with 7 rounds and Ruger has a GP100 with a 7 round capacity and a Super GP100 with an 8 round capacity. Finally, I am aware of the 7-round GP100 in .327 Magnum.

Other than these, I was wondering if anybody is familiar with any "high capacity" DA revolvers. I was specifically wondering why something like a 10-round .22 Magnum revolver is not being made. Isn't the 617 based on the K frame? Wouldn't an L-frame easily handle 10 rounds of .22 Mag? Same for the Redhawk. Living in the great state of the People's Republic of California, I can't buy firearms with a larger capacity than 10, but a large aluminum alloy frame revolver with 12+ rounds of .22 (LR or Mag) sounds like fun for days.

Also, at the risk of opening a caliber debate, a large frame revolver with 9- or 10-round capacity of .327 Magnum might be fun. How many rounds of .327 Mag could be safely shoved into an N-frame revolver? A nice, fast, small, centerfire round out of a big gun would have very little recoil. Or they could make it like the 327 with a scandium alloy frame to save on the weight. I've chronographed Federal .327 JSP at ~1520 fps out of a 4.2" barrel. I'll bet 10 rounds of a 100 gr. pill doing 1550 fps out of a 6" barrel would be enough to tell a person "You're in the wrong house, and that is not your TV" at 2:00 in the morning.

Finally, with the introduction of the X-frame, I'm wondering if any of you would be able to tell me if an X-frame could be chambered in something smaller (like .357 Mag), but have a couple more rounds in it than the 627/327? I've measured the diameters of the cylinders of my S&W 686, 57, and 460V, and there seems to be a larger difference between the N-frame and X-frame than the L-frame and N-frame. You could probably put more than 6 rounds of .44 Mag into the X-frame. An 8-shot .44 Mag... that would be ridiculous levels of awesome. ("I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is an 8-shot .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, it doesn't really matter if I shot five shots or six... I'll still have at least two rounds, each with enough power to blow your head clean off.” -Harry Callahan.)

Also, with Colt re-releasing their snake guns, do you think we are going to see some caliber-swapping with different frames in the Colt lineup?

Anyway... what do you guys think? Is there a high capacity DA revolver that you know of that I should be aware of? What high capacity DA revolver would make you all warm and fuzzy inside?
 
The one that REALLY got me and in fact, I was just researching again today is the S&W 327 TRR8.

Why I dig it is:
8 rounds of ANY .357
Shoots wadcutters well
Cut for moon clips but not mandatory
Performance Center tuned
(hopefully a chamfered cylinder) Though I'd pay if not.
The top and forward rails can be added to existing holes. The R8 has a permanent forward rail. Don't like that.

The two 627s are not entirely out of the running but just don't get me as much as the TRR8 does.

Todd.
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I had a 627 Pro, it was a very nice gun. Very nice trigger, even for a Smith. Chamfered cylinder, cut for moon clips, quick change front sight and yes, 8 shots. Still not sure why I got rid of it.

I'm sure if your pockets deep enough some enterprising gunsmith could make a new cylinder and barrel for an X frame in 357 but it won't be cheap.
 
How many 327MAG would fit in the cylinder of an 'N' frame S&W or Ruger SRH?

So the 627/327/R8 is a slightly modified N-frame. The barrel is moved up in the frame ~.035 inch and the circle passing through the center of all the chambers is thus ~.070-inch larger in diameter than the original 6-shot N-frame chambered in 44 Special, 38-44, .357 Mag (and a bunch of other cartridges since). So starting with a 627/327/R8 frame you could get 9 rounds of 327 Mag fairly easily with a barrel and cylinder change. On the original 6-shot N-frame you could only get 8-shots. If you move the barrel up another .035 you could safety fit 10-rds of 327 Mag in the cylinder but the shank on the barrel will have to get a bit thinner to not impinge on the top strap. Probably not a strength issue with the smaller bore size of 327 but it would be another change required.

Realistically I don't think 327 Fed has taken off enough to justify the engineering costs for it to make financial sense for S&W to do either version. A moonclip fed 10-shot 327 Mag would be pretty awesome but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
 
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8 is a lot more than 6, but 10 just isn't that much more than 8. It's true that both are separated by just two cartridges, but in the first case, two is 1/3 or 33.33% more, and in the second case, two is only 25% more. Consider also that most jobs a handgun is called upon to do will be accomplished with less than 6 rounds. The instances where 7 or 8 are required are exceptionally rare, and the number of instances where 8 would not be enough, but 10 would be enough are near non-existent. There is a better argument for having 15 or 17 versus 8 than there is for having 10 instead of 8. These differences are important when considering the effort, expense and the resulting size and weight and cost of a 10-shot centerfire revolver. The trade-off is just not attractive enough that anyone has done it.

It is certainly a practical custom project. A good gunsmith could machine a custom cylinder, barrel, and lockwork for a 10-shot N-frame or SRH. The fact that it is not an especially difficult custom project, but one rarely undertaken, speaks to the conclusion that most people don't see it being worthwhile.

Since you appear to have a good understanding of current-production large revolvers but didn't mention personal experience, I highly recommend getting one from what's available. I'm going to abstain from a cartridge recommendation, but I will instead say that I've been disappointed with aluminum and scandium revolvers. Get something large, steel, and in a cartridge that you'll use the most for purposes that are the most meaningful to you.
 
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