High Quality Kinetic Bullet Puller made in the USA

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  1. forty_caliber

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    Is there such an animal?

    Broke another cheap piece of Chinese organic-fertilizer-of-male-bovine-origin earlier today.

    Gotta be something better.

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  2. 9mmepiphany

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    Have you looked at the new Pile Driver Bullet Puller from Frankford Arsenal
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    I find the Frankford Arsenal hammer puller to be more durable than others too.
     
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    As a new reloader I purchased a RCBS kinetic bullet puller for $19.54 from MidwayUSA this summer (with a few other RCBS items that came to $100.26 qualifying for a $50 rebate) and a preowned Forster collet style bullet puller with a bunch of collets for $60. My thoughts were the kinetic if I only had a few to pull and the collet style if I needed to pull a bunch for some reason. I haven't used either so far.

    So I'm asking this question in ignorance: if you've been disappointed with the performance of the kinetic style bullet pullers, why not change to a collet style instead of seeking another kinetic style?

    And in answer to your question I found this via a Google search for "Kinetic Bullet Puller Made In USA" - I have no idea about its relative quality though.

    https://www.titanreloading.com/kinetic-bullet-puller

    https://www.quineticscorp.com/products/kinetic-bullet-puller

    https://www.brownells.com/reloading/case-preparation/bullet-pullers/kinetic-bullet-puller-prod9929.aspx

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    Thanks for the links. I've got a Forster collet puller and inserts for rifle. Still use the kinetic style on occasion for one-offs and round nose pistol ammo. I'm ordering one of the Quinetics.

    Seems like someone would make a kinetic style puller out of steel and wood that uses standard shell holders. A hammer made out of plastic is just silly. The heavier head would make for short work.

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    There are some additional products including some shims and video of the Quinetics inertia puller in use without & with the shims, as well as what they describe as a universal shell holder.

    https://www.quineticscorp.com/products

    Maybe someone will make a puller like you envision but unlikely it could economically compete if made in Texas by NRA Life Members. To keep labor costs down might try to manufacture it in shop space in a maquiladora, or if it ever opens again, the Kaesong Industrial Complex, and see if that could compete.
     
  7. edwardware

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    It's not a hammer, and heavier is worse, not better.

    The lighter the head, the faster it moves, the more momentum is stored in the bullet, the more force is applied when the head stops. It needs to be light, not heavy; aluminum might work, but I've never seen one that isn't plastic.

    Buy for the warranty, and be prepared to treat it as a consumable.
     
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    Maybe watching the Quinetics video could help.Every thing breaks but there are people who use them for years without problems and others that break them in a short time.Not trying to bust concrete.
     
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    That, along with the rebate, swung me to choose RCBS for a number of smaller reloading items such as the kinetic bullet puller, stuck case remover kit, powder funnel kit with some drop tube sections, and a 9X19mm carbide 3 die set from RCBS while MidwayUSA had one of their free shipping for orders $49+ a few months ago. Used 9X19mm die sets were already becoming scarce and around that same price already in mid-August. If I break it I'll see how well the legendary RCBS warranty and customer service handles it.
     
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    There's a review for the shim kit here.

    https://www.titanreloading.com/kinetic-bullet-puller/unichuck-shim-fit-combo

    Says it fits all the different brands of kinetic bullet pullers. Reviewer said if he was buying a complete new kinetic puller he'd install and use the shims from the get-go instead of waiting until a tool was already well worn, but says they worked well in his well used Quinetics puller to breathe new life into it. I reckon I'll pick up a set of those shims to begin with and see how that works for me.

    Detailed text instructions for using the Quinetics puller here.

    https://www.titanreloading.com/kinetic-bullet-puller/ultimate-kinetic-bullet-puller
     
  12. forty_caliber

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    For what it's worth, I didn't break the plastic "hammer" part. I broke the "chuck". O-ring snapped and little bits of aluminum went flying. I found two of the three parts.

    Looking for a better system is all. Lyman, RCBS, Hornady, and any other supplier involved in this business need to realize that they need us as much as we need them. Trying to save a nickel by farming jobs out to the other side of the planet is understandable as we all need to make a living. At the end of the day accepting inferior quality and spending our dollars for it is on us.

    I'm more interested in QUALITY tools that will enhance my operation rather than just get by. I don't really care how much it costs if it does a better job. This is why I buy Sheridan gauges instead of one of the other brands. Top notch quality.

    I ordered a shim kit along with the Quinetics hammer. Perhaps that will get me two working units so I will have a spare for next time.

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    I have been using a kinetic puller from Quinetics since 2011, and it was used when I got it. I upgraded the puller with the new Quinetics Uni-Chuck "Shim-Fit" Combo in early 2018, and it really does seem easier to pull bullets with the "Shim-Fit".

    I normally use it by rapping against concrete per the instructions, but if I have a lot of range rounds picked up after a match, I use a heavy vise on a workbench. When I rap the vise, I don't swing very hard, but the bullets still pull out very easily. The puller is still going strong.
     
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    FWIW, I found that Lee's trimmer system screw-base shell holders are a perfect fit in the RCBS head, and infinitely more robust than the three-toed collet thing.
     
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    The RCBS, made by Quinetics in the USA does not require slamming it like you are driving railroad spikes; it works best hitting it on a piece of wood and letting bounce
     
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    The RCBS one i have looks just like the Quinetics puller. The shim is an interesting idea. My guess is that it minimize how much the plastic gives on impact.
     
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    I'm on my second one, first one sheared off the impact zone after 5 years. All the plastic kinetic pullers are cheesy, but they work well, are relatively inexpensive, and don't require specialty collets, BUT if you're pulling dozens and hundreds of rounds, it will take way goo long using a kinetic hammer puller.
     
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    Maybe RCBS buys their kinetic puller from Quinetics. I checked the RCBS one I purchased and it definitely says "Made in USA".

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    My homemade "Reloader" magazine inspired one I've showed here before......it has lasted for more than 45 years.....I have improved the insides a little since then, to improve holding the shell holders, but it isn't plastic and is pretty hard to break. One improvement is that I added epoxy inserts to keep the primer centered safe in the regular shell holders. Shell holder rests on the reducer under the cap...top of picture. Red end strikes the concrete....foam inside that bigger one protects bullet. I just unscrew the bottom below the Tee and dump the bullet and primer into a small container.The I unscrew the red cap and clean things out so powder doesn't mix.

    Oh almost forgot...I also put foam under the top cap, above the shell holder to keep it from bouncing and epoxy around the shellholder to center it. Just remember to coat the shell holder in vasoline before you press in the epoxy putty in or around it. So when it dries the shellholder can fall out. Steel reinforced epoxy is what I used.

    Somes like it, somes think I made a pipe bomb....don't build it if you think the latter....free country.....but that may change.....

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    Home Made in the USA ;) (before RCBS made the first plastic one...we made these)
     
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    I have both, the Kinetic and the Hornady. I’ve read articles about the Kinetic’s force causing a primer to detonate, thus causing a serious problem. The article chowed a man that had a lot of facial damage, including the loss of an eye. I pretty much use the Hornady, a little more work, but a lot safer...

    Just my $0.02

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    I've got a Hornady Loc-N-Load collet puller, and I've got a Frankfort Arsenal kinetic. Some bullets pull easily and without damage with the Hornady, but plated bullets and flat points seem to fare better in the Frankfort. I've beaten the Frankfort on the anvil of my large shop vise for years, and it's still hanging in there.
     
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    That was my first thought...but then I've seen a lot of pipe bombs :p
     
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    These are what I've used also. For one or two the FA is easier. For more than a handful and Hornady is more efficient
     
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    I use a Frankfort Arsenal one and long ago abandoned the aluminum collets. I use a regular shell holder but there have been reports of things detonating. In several hundred pistol rounds it has not happened yet so you are forewarned. I also have and use a Hornaday Cam Loc puller for use with the majority of my rifle rounds when I can get a grip on the bullet to reliabily pull it. YMMV
     
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    I have used the kinetic style for many years. Never broken one. Never had a failure to pull the bullet. Per the instructions, keep the cap screwed on tight and let the "hammer" bounce on each stroke.
     
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