Hillary says its a shared responsibility on illegal guns in Mexico

[Grey_Mana]

US-taxpayer funded illegal guns

If they ever provide documentation of actual guns and serial #s, we'll see how many are US-taxpayer funded. There are a huge number of American guns in Mexico.

The Clinton and Bush administrations both sent billions in aid against the drug war, including military hardware. As corrupt as Mexico is portrayed, I expect that the drug lords have all the M-16s, M9 Berettas (and uniforms, and trained ex-Mexican army folks) that might want.

And if they don't have enough military surplus, a large international drug ring is going to buy weapons wholesale, from the cheapest reliable international dealer. Whey would they bother sneaking American weapons down, when they can contract directly with Chinese companies? Reliable and cheaper.

On the other hand, I can well imagine illegal aliens who return home for visits smuggling weapons back, for themselves and their families. Mexico has strict gun control laws, and also happens to have high violent crime rates. If illegal guns are documented, they'll be the gun confiscated from somebody protecting herself from a kidnapper/mugger/rapist.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

She is partly right about "shared responsibility." She is wrong about the parties responsible.

 

[Owen Sparks]

Hillary is a collectivist. These people think in terms of groups, the tribe, the race, society, the common good etc. They don't see what is good for the individual whose rights and property may be sacrificed for the good of the group.

 

[gripper]

I like Mexicans( a few friends and relatives)...I just can NOT stand Mexico.Beautiful country with a government that seems to straddle caste/class distinctions,socialism and kleptocracy all at the same time.

 

[InRemorse]

Maybe it's a setup from our government. The Democrats see the gun violence in Mexico, put one and one together, call their politicians up, ask them to officially demand America tighten their gun laws. The Mexican demands come and so Obama can pull our guns from our hands with a "legit" reason, later advancing socialism upon us, which is what he wanted to do in the first place.

 

[hso]

Luckily the Sec. State doesn't set internal US policy.

Unfortunately, the Sec. State has influence in the Executive Branch.

Luckily, any such laws would have to be generated and passed by Congress and that's unlikely as long as we actively keep our congresscritters aware that there's no support and many hazards associated with voting "YES" on such legislation.

 

[AllAmerican]

I watched Greta both nights on this topic and man she is getting beat up on the Greta Wire thing. More than a few people I know including myself have written to Fox to have her Make clear her anti gun stance on the air and that of her husband.

We are also asking that the other Fox anchors (O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck take her to task as they would if this had been an anchor on another network.

Finally, we are asking that she be fired and replaced by someone else preferrably for me by Laura Ingraham.

I have started a Facebook group called "For News should Fire Greta Van Susteren"

There ya go....

 

[Titan6]

Unfortunately, the Sec. State has influence in the Executive Branch.

I don't think he needs any help with this idea.

 

[Old Fuff]

Luckily, any such laws would have to be generated and passed by Congress and that's unlikely as long as we actively keep our congresscritters aware that there's no support and many hazards associated with voting "YES" on such legislation.

Right now I don’t see that happening. What is far more likely is that the BATF&E will sneak some new regulations into the Federal Register that would ban further imports of semi-automatic military or military style firearms, as well as parts or other components. Additionally ammunition made to be used in such firearms would be prohibited too. All of this would be based on the “sporting use” clause in the 1968 GCA, and no new legislation would be required. If nothing else it would show the Mexican government that we were doing something. :banghead:

 

[Titan6]

The amusing thing is that of course it is already very much "go to jail forever illegal laws" against bringing guns and ammunition into Mexico. What more laws here are going to do when Mexico won't enforce the laws they have is beyond me.

 

[Geno]

Destructo6:

Fox News was reporting that Mexico refused to give the serial numbers to the USA...BATFE. I don't want to see a token 10 serial numbers...I want to see 100%...publish them. Let's trace 100% of them. Before my rights are diminished, I want to see the sellers jailed. Until I see a 100% list, the traces and transfers, I don't believe a word out of DC. Let's enforce the laws we already have.

Geno

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

I wonder where the cartels got those 40mm grenade launchers like the US Marines use and the boatload of 40mm grenades?

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

hso, you mention luck twice, but that is not something to depend on.

 

[JR47]

Says who? Mexico doesn't publish them, but does give them to BATFE. I've seen traces and personally viewed weapons that certainly did not come from military sales.

Not according to BATFE. The serial numbers that they're running are the results of operations that seized weapons on American soil. The Mexican government would be highly embarrassed should the Mexicans turn over serial numbers, and have them traced back to shipment to the Mexican Police, security forces, or Military.

Tracing M16 rifles is going to be pretty much useless. The US has given them away like candy for almost 50 years. Sure, they came from America, but where did they originally go?

As far as Hillary goes, she's right, American drug consumption is partly responsible for the market and trouble in Mexico. Instead of the pie-in-the-sky "let's legalize all drugs", unless we want to make drug related medical care exempt from COBRA, and insurance, we'd be better off making drug use a mandatory 20 years of hard labor, with no parole. She wouldn't like that, as much of the casual drug use is in the Liberal support of the Democratic Party. However, it WOULD be "for the children."

Hillary, and her husband's retreads in Obama's Cabinet, have now made three stupid decisions. Holder's AWB statement, The Sec. Of Defenses decision to mutilate fired brass, and Hillary's statement about her going to Congress to stop gun sales. NONE of these were Obama's intention, and two of the three have been slapped down by Congress. It would appear that, if she couldn't be President, she is determined to be the power that is either behind the throne, or brings down the President.

I love watching Liberal cannibalism in action in politics.

 

[rbernie]

Y'all did a good job of keeping between the political gutters, but I think that we've said all that can be said at this point and stay on The High Road.