average_shooter
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Sorry about that misunderstanding. No offense intended from me either.
I went back to the HK forum link and yes, that the poster there is new would make one suspicious.
HK P2000 with RFID chip inside grip!?!?!?
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Sorry about that misunderstanding. No offense intended from me either.
I went back to the HK forum link and yes, that the poster there is new would make one suspicious.
bdg146
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So someone can read the serial number without using their eyes. Big deal.
If all P2000's came with this, you'd have heard about it a million times by now. They don't. HK wouldn't be so stupid. Not that having RFID is a big deal, but it would scare the crap out of a lot of people.
If all P2000's came with this, you'd have heard about it a million times by now. They don't. HK wouldn't be so stupid. Not that having RFID is a big deal, but it would scare the crap out of a lot of people.
H&K Chip
I know I am a new poster but I just check both om my HK P2000's and here is what I found.
The P2000 (mm I purchased from CDNN has the chip.
The p2000SK I purchased from a local dealer does not have the chip but does have a cutout for one that is empty.
I know I am a new poster but I just check both om my HK P2000's and here is what I found.
The P2000 (mm I purchased from CDNN has the chip.
The p2000SK I purchased from a local dealer does not have the chip but does have a cutout for one that is empty.
Bobarino
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from the HK Pro thread:
Bobby
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jfh
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"...Permits permanent and changeable data (serial number, rack number, user name, round count, etc.)...."
I translate that as--
"OK, you passed the NICS, and you're good to go, except that it will take 10 minutes to put your name and ID number in the chip."
Yes, I understand the practical value for inventory, etc., etc.--but it's far worse than the five million security cameras England has (Great Britain?). If cameras can be ubiquitous, so can RFID readers.
Jim H.
BryanP
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It'd be a shame if my pistol accidentally spent 20 seconds in the microwave.
hrgrisso
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Not With My Own Eyes
But I've had a lot of dealings with Border Patrol and Homeland here in Southern Arizona. I have heard it from several Agents that their HK's all have chips in them and according to their armorers all civi HK's would have them soon. Don't know the truth to this but there you go.
+50 BryanP
But I've had a lot of dealings with Border Patrol and Homeland here in Southern Arizona. I have heard it from several Agents that their HK's all have chips in them and according to their armorers all civi HK's would have them soon. Don't know the truth to this but there you go.
+50 BryanP
Eightball
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Why not? If they make it out of unobtanium, all the gaming fanboys will want one, regardless of if it sucks out their soul while firing it.
Not that I'm an HK hater, but I've seen them do some sloppy things more than a couple times. Wouldn't surprise me if they did it again. Now, I know they have some good quality stuff out there, just that, IMO, I wouldn't put sloppy work on an RFID chip out of the question.
H&K chip
My agency issue H&K 2000 has the chip. It really is there, but they try not to let anyone know about it.
Oh, Bryan, do you know what happens when you stick a gun with metal parts into a microwave?
If you want to remove it, pull out the interchangable back strap on the rear of the grip. It should be there if you have one.
Jim
My agency issue H&K 2000 has the chip. It really is there, but they try not to let anyone know about it.
Oh, Bryan, do you know what happens when you stick a gun with metal parts into a microwave?
If you want to remove it, pull out the interchangable back strap on the rear of the grip. It should be there if you have one.
Jim
BryanP
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Sparks. But the amount of time required to fry a chip wouldn't be enough to cause any damage to the gun.
blackcash88
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Stores that have a "no gun" policy would have a field day with this. They could install RFID readers along with their magnetic strip readers and be alerted when ever someone comes in with a gun even though it's not against state law. Employers could do parking lot sweeps to see who's has a gun in their car against company policy.
I'd really hate to see these become widespread.
I'd really hate to see these become widespread.
hrgrisso
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Whoa
I was doing some research on these RFID and I came across this article. Probably from the HK Forum.
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2004/04/63066
So if I read this right it appears that FN and HK are both working on SMART GUN tech.
I don't know if I can support any company that is co developing this. And I was so looking forward to the SCAR. :banghead:
I was doing some research on these RFID and I came across this article. Probably from the HK Forum.
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2004/04/63066
So if I read this right it appears that FN and HK are both working on SMART GUN tech.
I don't know if I can support any company that is co developing this. And I was so looking forward to the SCAR. :banghead:
JCMAG
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This is a hoax...
Were it true, then boycott them.
Were it true, then boycott them.
Cavalier Knight
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RFID Chip
RogersPrecision
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I have personally seen this device in a BP agent's H&K more than 18 months ago.
Those that insist this is a hoax may also believe the moon landing was filmed in Nevada.
Those that insist this is a hoax may also believe the moon landing was filmed in Nevada.
Cavalier Knight
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I know the chip is real but I have always wondered who held the moon landing camera prior to the first man to allegedly walk on the moon
RogersPrecision
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Yessir,
And if you sail far enough to the west, you may 'fall off' the edge of the earth.
And if you sail far enough to the west, you may 'fall off' the edge of the earth.
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Within the next 10 years or so most everything you purchase will have RFID. It will replace bar coding and security tags on many products. All state and federal ID's will have them.
Private industry is doing for the government what the government isn't allowed to do. Tracking and following you with out warrants, probable cause or even suspicion.
Private industry is doing for the government what the government isn't allowed to do. Tracking and following you with out warrants, probable cause or even suspicion.
bdg146
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You do realize RFID is a passive technology, right? Meaning the RFID chip left alone will do absolutely nothing. It requires an external source of power. It's not like they throw an RFID chip in your gun, then watch a little blip walk around a screen and follow your every move back at the pentagon.
I'm really surprised at how many people RFID freaks out. Someone should invent a Faraday Cage that you can wear and they'd become millionaires.
I'm really surprised at how many people RFID freaks out. Someone should invent a Faraday Cage that you can wear and they'd become millionaires.
+1 plexreticle
The long term goal is to put the little RFIDs in any and everything (which includes the shirts you buy) and have readers all over the f**King place.
Walk though the door of your local walmart and it reads that RFID info into a database which can be traced back to your CC and YOU. Now imagine those readers in hundreds of thousands or millions of locations and in many millions of products. You can bet the Government would have access to that information. How long would it be before Telemarketers have access to it?
If they are in pistols, it would more than likely store the SN , Make, Model , and Caliber of the gun along with anything else they decide is needed.
Here is just a small sample!
Research RFID and you might be shocked!
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/emergingtech/0,1000000183,39117192,00.htm
Honestly, I believe some people wouldn't care if the government put one in their ass!
It's a matter of time before a law is passed making it mandatory to have them in firearms and a felony to remove or disable it.
SigSauer had a job opening a short time ago for an RFID expert!
The long term goal is to put the little RFIDs in any and everything (which includes the shirts you buy) and have readers all over the f**King place.
Walk though the door of your local walmart and it reads that RFID info into a database which can be traced back to your CC and YOU. Now imagine those readers in hundreds of thousands or millions of locations and in many millions of products. You can bet the Government would have access to that information. How long would it be before Telemarketers have access to it?
If they are in pistols, it would more than likely store the SN , Make, Model , and Caliber of the gun along with anything else they decide is needed.
Here is just a small sample!
Research RFID and you might be shocked!
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/emergingtech/0,1000000183,39117192,00.htm
Honestly, I believe some people wouldn't care if the government put one in their ass!
It's a matter of time before a law is passed making it mandatory to have them in firearms and a felony to remove or disable it.
SigSauer had a job opening a short time ago for an RFID expert!
FuzzyBunny
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I have been on top of this RFID for over 10 years.
They have readers they can put in door frames covertly. There is a chip being tested now that can be read 50 feet away. They also make wallets that are small pocket size faraday cages.
I am not yanking your chain on this, it is REAL and happening now.
For hard data, news, info go to this site or if you wish get involved by contacting Kathy A. by e-mail. Or both!
www.spychips.com
The Spychips website is a project of CASPIAN, Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering.
http://www.nocards.org/
RFID Blocking Wallet
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/8cdd/
Once everything has a number it can be tracked. The readers are getting cheaper. Yes chips are in some clothes, soon all.
If you do not think this is in the works you are in denial or just not informed.
Please someone prove me wrong!
They have readers they can put in door frames covertly. There is a chip being tested now that can be read 50 feet away. They also make wallets that are small pocket size faraday cages.
I am not yanking your chain on this, it is REAL and happening now.
For hard data, news, info go to this site or if you wish get involved by contacting Kathy A. by e-mail. Or both!
www.spychips.com
The Spychips website is a project of CASPIAN, Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering.
http://www.nocards.org/
RFID Blocking Wallet
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/8cdd/
Once everything has a number it can be tracked. The readers are getting cheaper. Yes chips are in some clothes, soon all.
If you do not think this is in the works you are in denial or just not informed.
Please someone prove me wrong!
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blackcash88
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The camera was mounted on the lander. There wasn't anyone on the outside before Armstrong made the "giant leap".
actually.. if you have a "Speedpass Key" from Exxon, it's RFID.. if you have a Toll Way tag that attaches to the inside of your car, it's RFID and can be read over 300 feet away @ 100mph.. various CCs have RFID chips in them.. all US Passports have RFID now.. and with the Real ID act passed, soon all US Driver's licenses will have RFID.. this does not take into account your clothing, all your purchases, etc..
yes, it's a passive device, but the readers are what have variable distances.. i.e. some readers can read under 5 foot.. some readers can read at nearly half a mile.. this is the problem..
this is not as benign as a simple UPC bar code.. this is data mining at it's source.. the DOD has had a plan for the last 7 years, on collecting information on all people within US territories.. this means tracking your movements through RFID..
and implantable RFID chips have been in use for sometime.. i applied to work at Lockheed (Skunkworks) on the X33 project.. and within the paperwork sent to me was a consent to be implanted with an RFID chip.. this was used in addition to a worn badge.. your movements within the complex would be monitored, and readers would allow doors to open, or not.. this was over 10 years ago..
so, the chances are high that there are RIFD chips in current manufactured pistols.. especially, polymer guns.. and, it would be a simple thing to scan a home to find RFID'd weapons.. or ammo..
i'm not sure about how to actually disable RFID chips.. i'm sure if you had a chip laying there you could "zap" it.. (they are about the size of a grain of sand, itself.. but have an antenna and power supply on a larger silicon die)
i know that you can shield it to prevent it being read, with a simple Faraday cage..
the only way to be sure, is to buy a RFID scanner and try to read everything you have.. but, the problem with that is, that there could be variable frequencies and your reader will not read those RFIDs out of it's range..
RFID is a great technology.. but, it's being exploited in a very wrong way..
yes, it's a passive device, but the readers are what have variable distances.. i.e. some readers can read under 5 foot.. some readers can read at nearly half a mile.. this is the problem..
this is not as benign as a simple UPC bar code.. this is data mining at it's source.. the DOD has had a plan for the last 7 years, on collecting information on all people within US territories.. this means tracking your movements through RFID..
and implantable RFID chips have been in use for sometime.. i applied to work at Lockheed (Skunkworks) on the X33 project.. and within the paperwork sent to me was a consent to be implanted with an RFID chip.. this was used in addition to a worn badge.. your movements within the complex would be monitored, and readers would allow doors to open, or not.. this was over 10 years ago..
so, the chances are high that there are RIFD chips in current manufactured pistols.. especially, polymer guns.. and, it would be a simple thing to scan a home to find RFID'd weapons.. or ammo..
i'm not sure about how to actually disable RFID chips.. i'm sure if you had a chip laying there you could "zap" it.. (they are about the size of a grain of sand, itself.. but have an antenna and power supply on a larger silicon die)
i know that you can shield it to prevent it being read, with a simple Faraday cage..
the only way to be sure, is to buy a RFID scanner and try to read everything you have.. but, the problem with that is, that there could be variable frequencies and your reader will not read those RFIDs out of it's range..
RFID is a great technology.. but, it's being exploited in a very wrong way..
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