Hmmm, what should I do?

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UltraMag1981

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So rifle season opens on Nov 1st in my area. In the past when I hunt, I just pick my trusty spot and sit and wait for the deer to come to me, there are a few other hunters in the woods that hunt only one end of one mountain and they seem to push the odd deer to me. I was wondering if it would be better if I gave up my spot and walked around looking for the deer...kind of like stalking I guess! What do most of you do? other than sit in tree stands and in blinds. So... do I get off my arse and stalk or keep sitting? Ive attached a topo map and circled the area where I would be hunting.

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Steve
 

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If it were me, I'd sit right under the first "n" in three mountains, and i'd wait for them to come through that opening to go to that lake just south of there to drink.
 
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Seems like the area shown south by south east of Sharbert rock 1/3mile is a natural funnel that may prove to be worth a look. Terrain varies alot from what I can see on google earth. To many water sources to narrow down by that. What kind of fields are in the area. I would concentrate on food sources rather than water.
 
You're right about there being alot of water, there are quite a few swamp-ish areas around that hold small bits of water and there are small streams all over, the area also has alot of rock, I think its referred as "the canadian shield". The area where I have sat for a number of years is just under the word "three" of three mountains on the topo map. Its on the down slope of the mountain and there is an area just down from me that has alot of small acorn trees. There aren't any fields or anything like that, the woods are fairly thick. It seems that all the deer I have taken from this spot have been headed down towards the thick cedars in the valley, kind of in the direction of the acorns. The area that you (jbkebert) are talking about is an area where no one hunts, it would be a rough hike to that spot but to my knowlege its never been hunted, as with much of the area where I am!!! My camp on that map is at about 7:30 on that oval and the only other camp anywhere near me is about 300 yds north of us on that road, and they are all old and don't wonder far from the camp. Has anyone hunted an area that has (to your knowlege) never been hunted? Now Im wondering how productive a virgin area can be.......
 
2 thing Ultra, One, if those Oaks have a good Mass Crop of acorns. HUNT THAT!!! That is one of the #1 attractant to whitetail. #2- I have found that the hardest, most harsh environment to get into for a hunter will be pretty much HEAVEN to a deer!! If you have both of those with a water source, my friend you have found heaven on earth.
 
UltraMag it is hard for me to offer up advice unless I was able to see how much sign is around. I myself love to still hunt (or stalk as you put it) and track deer in fresh snow. It does take some time to master these techniques though. However once you start doing it on a regular basis it will pay huge dividens. The other plus is you get to see more of the woods and a chance to see high activity areas that you wouldn't see if you sat in a blind or tree stand all day. This also pays off if you didn't get a chance to put time in to do any pre season scouting.

The trick is to get some good binos, they are a huge asset even in the thick woods. They don't have to be ubber expensive but they shouldn't be cheapies either. I use a pair of Leupold 8x30 yosesmite binos and have been very pleased with them. They are not so heavy as to feel like a 25 pound necklace at the end of the day. But they are very clear and bright even in the dense woods.

The other thing that you don't want to do is walk like you were taking a stroll through the woods, which I'm sure you already know. Get in the woods pull out your binos and glass through the trees as far out as you can while listening to your surroundings. I always stop next to a good sized tree while doing this. I'll do this for 15 - 20 min or until I'm satisfied there are no deer close by before I pick up and move. When I do move I move no more than 50 yards then begin to disect the woods again with my binos. It is slow going but it has to be if you want to put the sneak on them sneaky white tails:)

If for what ever reason you do kick up a deer while walking stop immediately, this is where most folks bungle things up. Don't stand there and say to yourself aww shucks I been busted again. Wait until you feel that the deer are out of sight or you can't hear them moving anymore. Before moving use your binos to be sure they're not there looking back at you, if not then find a good sized tree nearby sit and wait. Often times deer will only go a short distance before stopping and checking they're back trail to see what spooked them. If they see or hear nothing they will either come back the way they came or make a wide circle and come back to the general area you kicked them up at. So once that happens stay there for 1hr- 1 1/2 hrs to see what comes back, it could very well be Mr. Big. I've done this several times and it does work. This foolish little 4 point decided to come back to where I initially kicked him up at on opening day. He got a 240gr Hornady XTP-HP from my Marlin .44 as reward for his foolish mistake.

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Tracking is done much the same as still hunting only your obviously following tracks in fresh snow. You do have to go slow though as again the deer are always checking they're back trail. It is also very important to pay attention to the wind here as well. If the deer your tracking decides to bed down guess what he's going to do....? Stick his nose right in the wind to smell what is coming. So always be patient , move slowly, and take your time when glassing.

Both of these tecniques are very effective. If they weren't the Benoit family wouldn't be nationaly renowned for they're deer tracking exploits, and the huge deer they harvest from doing so every year. But it all boils down to how you personally like to hunt. If your like me and like to explore a bit and see what is around the next bend then this type of hunting may be for you. Just don't be to quick to give up as it does take time, patience and prctice. But once you put it all together and out sneak and out witt the wiley white tail it is very very rewarding. The best of luck to you and be safe.
 
So... do I get off my arse and stalk or keep sitting?

Thanks,
Steve

Both. There are times to sit and then there are times to stalk. During periods of natural deer movement(dawn, dusk, peak of rut) and you have a good stand, odds are you're better off staying on stand. If you have a good stand on on escape trail and the deer are being pushed by other hunters , you may want to sit. But when deer are hunkered down because of hunting pressure, weather or other factors and there are no other hunters in the woods to push them to you, the time is right for stalking. Stalking, or still hunting(as others call it) is not just walking thru the woods in hope of seeing deer. For me, it is more like taking short, quiet walks to new stands.....sitting there for a while and then moving on, slowly and quietly to the next stand. When the squirrels reappear and the songbirds close by get active again is a good sign. If all you are seeing is the whites of their tails, you are going too fast and need to slow down. When you think you are going slow enough, slow down some more. The goal is not to cover a lot of ground, but to cover the distance well. Knowing the area and where deer tend to sit and where they do not can dictate how fast you move also. No sense going slow thru a chopped corn field or open swamp without cover, but as soon as you get back into cover stop and sit before moving on. Look for the flick of an ear or a shape or line that does not fit. Trees generally have vertical lines whereas the back of a deer is horizontal. Very seldom will you ever see the whole deer before it sees you. Always have your gun at ready, as many times you only will have a split second to react and make the shot. Having to unsling a gun from your shoulder may create all the movement the deer needs to pick you out and escape. If you jump a deer close and can't get a shot, look ahead for the next opening and be ready when he gets there......and always, whether you shoot or not, watch the deer and make a mental note of the very last place you saw it...exactly. This gives you the best chance of finding blood, and/or figuring out where it might be headed. Sometimes if you know the area and where the buck may be headed, you can cover the ground quickly and cut him off as he circles around. Nasty weather and wind can be the best times for sneak hunting as your sound, scent and movement will be muted and or disguised. Strong winds also mean your scent will always be blown downwind in one direction and not swirling, possibly ahead of you. Another good trick is to walk noisily upwind past heavy cover and then quietly circle and come back thru downwind. Many times the deer will be bedded watching where you were or may have gotten up to slowly escape and will walk right into you.
 
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The three areas using sharbert rock as a starting point seem to be worth investigating. Rough areas with little to no hunting pressure and some source of food. Big critters get big by avoiding the easy places for hunters to get to. I can discern little about the acutal terrain but these areas seems to have funnels, and cover and limited access. Good luck.
 
Done any scouting? Found any scrapes or other sign? Kind of late now, but you may want to think about a better spot for your stand. Near a food source(oak trees, etc), where two or more active trails cross, near a scrape, etc.
Still hunting takes a great deal of practice and stealth. Isn't exactly safe in the Madawaska area either. Too many once a year hunters/shooters who sometimes shoot at sounds.
 
Well I'm leaving for the camp tomorrow at noon! Iam going to head towards the Sharbert Rock area and see whats going on there. There is a faint trail behind my camp (you can kind of see my camp in the center of the star in the pic) that goes to that small lake between my camp and Sharbert Rock but it ends at the lake, that will be my starting point. That mountain on the other side of the lake is very very steep but I have heard that if I can get on top of it, it is very open and flat! When I look at that mountain from that lake, it looks like it is open, looks to be mostly hardwoods and I can see there are large areas of bare rock. The further down in the valleys you go, the more cedars there are and the thicker it gets. If I remember my camera when I go I'll take a few pics to show the steepness (I think I just made that word up) but thats the plan anyways, to atleast get up on that mountain, if I don't see any deer, atleast I will have a nice view and have some nice pics.
 

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Sunray: Yes I know about un educated "local day hunters" but they seem to stick close to the roads but there hasn't been many at all in the last 3-4 years! Thanks to a few locals that keep an eye on our camp in the off season...a couple of our local "friends" kind of made it clear to vever return to the area after they were messing around!!! Sometimes it pays to know crazy people lol. As for sign and trails, I was back 3 weeks ago and the deer were making scrapes, and a few rubs but not a whole lot. As for trails, I haven't seen many... I never have, even when there is snow, they seem to just wonder all over, definately not any areas where a deer has pounded down from repetedly using the same trail. Have you been to this area before?
 
"...Have you been to this area before?..." Hi. Very briefly, long ago. More time in Haliburton and the Wabashene area. Hunt the scrapes, but not still hunting.
"...As for trails, I haven't seen many..." They're out there. Not always a path through the bush though. Scrapes are usually on or near 'em.
It isn't the locals that scare me. They know where the deer are. Usually. It's the guys from TO, etc., who don't belong to a shooting club and never shoot except for deer season. No public ranges anymore, of course. There was one on Cold Creek Conservation area, years ago. Got shut down due to local politicians. The TO ETF sending SMG bullets over the back stop didn't help either. An ETF SMG bullet landed next to a guy doing his roof several miles behind the range.
Where are you in Ontario? You know about www.canadiangunnutz.com? Good bunch.
 
I'm in Picton, its in Prince Edward County. Well all my bags are packed and I'm headin' out!!!!! woohoo. I'll try all the sugestions that everyone mentioned and report back in a week or so.

Thanks,
Steve
 
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